<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" version="2.0" xmlns:itunes="http://www.itunes.com/dtds/podcast-1.0.dtd" xmlns:googleplay="http://www.google.com/schemas/play-podcasts/1.0"><channel><title><![CDATA[Vik's Newsletter]]></title><description><![CDATA[AI infrastructure research across photonics, memory, interconnects, power, and packaging. Engineering depth translated for professionals and investors.]]></description><link>https://www.viksnewsletter.com</link><image><url>https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9JlA!,w_256,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa409d69d-ca10-4bfe-a1fc-f8d291690566_185x185.png</url><title>Vik&apos;s Newsletter</title><link>https://www.viksnewsletter.com</link></image><generator>Substack</generator><lastBuildDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2026 01:25:17 GMT</lastBuildDate><atom:link href="https://www.viksnewsletter.com/feed" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml"/><copyright><![CDATA[Vikram Sekar]]></copyright><language><![CDATA[en]]></language><webMaster><![CDATA[viksnewsletter@substack.com]]></webMaster><itunes:owner><itunes:email><![CDATA[viksnewsletter@substack.com]]></itunes:email><itunes:name><![CDATA[Vikram Sekar]]></itunes:name></itunes:owner><itunes:author><![CDATA[Vikram Sekar]]></itunes:author><googleplay:owner><![CDATA[viksnewsletter@substack.com]]></googleplay:owner><googleplay:email><![CDATA[viksnewsletter@substack.com]]></googleplay:email><googleplay:author><![CDATA[Vikram Sekar]]></googleplay:author><itunes:block><![CDATA[Yes]]></itunes:block><item><title><![CDATA[Lasers for CPO/NPO: Part 3 – Master Oscillator, Power Amplifier]]></title><description><![CDATA[Ultra high power lasers for CPO can be built differently from Lumentum&#8217;s approach, but how good are they?]]></description><link>https://www.viksnewsletter.com/p/lasers-for-cponpo-part-3-master-oscillator</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.viksnewsletter.com/p/lasers-for-cponpo-part-3-master-oscillator</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Vikram Sekar]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2026 03:11:13 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!iN3Q!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F10fb5820-f11c-4436-9370-c9739195ca52_2048x1117.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the third article in the series on UHP lasers for CPO/NPO. If you want to understand why these external UHP lasers are needed for CPO, see this post for background.</p><div class="digest-post-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;nodeId&quot;:&quot;a921c66a-b05b-4ebb-9e7c-77ae9c69f55b&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;Welcome to a &#128274; subscriber-only deep-dive edition &#128274; of my weekly newsletter. Each week, I help investors, professionals and students stay up-to-date on complex topics, and navigate the semiconductor industry.&quot;,&quot;cta&quot;:null,&quot;showBylines&quot;:true,&quot;showDescription&quot;:true,&quot;showImage&quot;:true,&quot;size&quot;:&quot;lg&quot;,&quot;isEditorNode&quot;:true,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;Why Co-Packaged Optics Uses External Lasers Instead of Integrated Sources&quot;,&quot;publishedBylines&quot;:[{&quot;id&quot;:124411709,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Vikram Sekar&quot;,&quot;bio&quot;:&quot;Physics-first semi research&quot;,&quot;photo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/afc78b68-c3cf-4c29-94f3-1422781e3e92_185x185.png&quot;,&quot;is_guest&quot;:false,&quot;bestseller_tier&quot;:100}],&quot;post_date&quot;:&quot;2025-11-09T18:29:42.042Z&quot;,&quot;cover_image&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!-jgG!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4567942b-3b5f-4746-8241-33b4cafbc8ca_900x600.png&quot;,&quot;cover_image_alt&quot;:null,&quot;canonical_url&quot;:&quot;https://www.viksnewsletter.com/p/why-cpo-uses-external-lasers&quot;,&quot;section_name&quot;:null,&quot;video_upload_id&quot;:null,&quot;id&quot;:178423061,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;newsletter&quot;,&quot;reaction_count&quot;:37,&quot;comment_count&quot;:3,&quot;publication_id&quot;:2065897,&quot;publication_name&quot;:&quot;Vik's Newsletter&quot;,&quot;publication_logo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9JlA!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa409d69d-ca10-4bfe-a1fc-f8d291690566_185x185.png&quot;,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:false,&quot;youtube_url&quot;:null,&quot;show_links&quot;:null,&quot;feed_url&quot;:null}"></div><p>In Part 1 of this series, we built up the fundamental physics of ultra high power (UHP) lasers. We concluded by identifying the four walls that make it challenging to implement a UHP laser: managing heat, maintaining narrow linewidth, getting light out, and catastrophic optical damage.</p><div class="digest-post-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;nodeId&quot;:&quot;9386708c-8939-4cfd-93cc-f8ce5f06a523&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;There is a lot of FUD in the market about ultra high power (UHP) lasers for CPO and who the leading provider is in this segment. Everybody I&#8217;ve asked about UHP lasers unequivocally says Lumentum is in the lead, but few are able to discuss the engineering challenges in making UHP lasers, where the Lumentum advantage lies (if it even exists), and what the real alligator-filled moat is that keeps competitors out.&quot;,&quot;cta&quot;:null,&quot;showBylines&quot;:true,&quot;showDescription&quot;:true,&quot;showImage&quot;:true,&quot;size&quot;:&quot;lg&quot;,&quot;isEditorNode&quot;:true,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;Lasers for CPO/NPO: Part 1 &#8211; The InP DFB Laser&quot;,&quot;publishedBylines&quot;:[{&quot;id&quot;:124411709,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Vikram Sekar&quot;,&quot;bio&quot;:&quot;Physics-first semi research&quot;,&quot;photo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/afc78b68-c3cf-4c29-94f3-1422781e3e92_185x185.png&quot;,&quot;is_guest&quot;:false,&quot;bestseller_tier&quot;:100}],&quot;post_date&quot;:&quot;2026-07-15T17:33:18.972Z&quot;,&quot;cover_image&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!m7KS!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa4fb909d-81b1-47be-b7b3-8be6119647a8_1024x559.png&quot;,&quot;cover_image_alt&quot;:null,&quot;canonical_url&quot;:&quot;https://www.viksnewsletter.com/p/lasers-for-cponpo-part-1-the-inp&quot;,&quot;section_name&quot;:null,&quot;video_upload_id&quot;:null,&quot;id&quot;:207183819,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;newsletter&quot;,&quot;reaction_count&quot;:54,&quot;comment_count&quot;:0,&quot;publication_id&quot;:2065897,&quot;publication_name&quot;:&quot;Vik's Newsletter&quot;,&quot;publication_logo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9JlA!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa409d69d-ca10-4bfe-a1fc-f8d291690566_185x185.png&quot;,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:false,&quot;youtube_url&quot;:null,&quot;show_links&quot;:null,&quot;feed_url&quot;:null}"></div><p>In Part 2, we explored how Lumentum overcame these challenges via their <a href="https://www.spiedigitallibrary.org/conference-proceedings-of-spie/6485/64850G/Very-high-power-1310nm-InP-single-mode-distributed-feed-back/10.1117/12.701321.short">2007 paper as JDS Uniphase</a>, and via their later <a href="https://www.lumentum.com/sites/default/files/2025-12/high_power_cw_laser_for_co-packaged_optics_2022.pdf">2022 CLEO paper</a> on UHP lasers. We also looked at how defensible their high power laser platform is.</p><div class="digest-post-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;nodeId&quot;:&quot;6f36fe6c-ce02-4bb7-b4a7-b7ffcae92a41&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;In this series on UHP lasers for CPO/NPO, our purpose is to carefully dissect the technology to understand how it works, where the engineering difficulty lies, what architectural options exist, and deeply understand where the technology differentiation and moat actually lies for key industry players. If you want to understand why these external lasers are needed, see this earlier post.&quot;,&quot;cta&quot;:null,&quot;showBylines&quot;:true,&quot;showDescription&quot;:true,&quot;showImage&quot;:true,&quot;size&quot;:&quot;lg&quot;,&quot;isEditorNode&quot;:true,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;Lasers for CPO/NPO: Part 2 &#8211; Lumentum&#8217;s Technology and Moat&quot;,&quot;publishedBylines&quot;:[{&quot;id&quot;:124411709,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Vikram Sekar&quot;,&quot;bio&quot;:&quot;Physics-first semi research&quot;,&quot;photo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/afc78b68-c3cf-4c29-94f3-1422781e3e92_185x185.png&quot;,&quot;is_guest&quot;:false,&quot;bestseller_tier&quot;:100}],&quot;post_date&quot;:&quot;2026-07-22T13:14:45.848Z&quot;,&quot;cover_image&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/0fec2c78-aedb-41a1-826f-a0157c7c8119_1920x1080.png&quot;,&quot;cover_image_alt&quot;:null,&quot;canonical_url&quot;:&quot;https://www.viksnewsletter.com/p/lasers-for-cponpo-part-2-lumentums-tech-and-moat&quot;,&quot;section_name&quot;:null,&quot;video_upload_id&quot;:null,&quot;id&quot;:208019065,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;newsletter&quot;,&quot;reaction_count&quot;:34,&quot;comment_count&quot;:0,&quot;publication_id&quot;:2065897,&quot;publication_name&quot;:&quot;Vik's Newsletter&quot;,&quot;publication_logo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9JlA!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa409d69d-ca10-4bfe-a1fc-f8d291690566_185x185.png&quot;,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:false,&quot;youtube_url&quot;:null,&quot;show_links&quot;:null,&quot;feed_url&quot;:null}"></div><p>In Part 3, we will look at the use of a Semiconductor Optical Amplifier (SOA) in conjunction with a lower power laser (~100 mW) to generate UHP laser power levels of ~400 mW. This architecture is called the Master Oscillator (the laser diode), Power Amplifier (or the SOA) approach &#8211; aka, MOPA. We will contrast it to the single-cavity UHP laser approach to highlight the pros and cons of each.</p><p><strong>Contents:</strong></p><ul><li><p>The MOPA Concept (free)</p></li><li><p>Integrated Semiconductor Optical Amplifiers (SOAs)</p><ul><li><p>Operating Principle</p></li><li><p>Amplified Spontaneous Emission (ASE)</p></li><li><p>Back Reflection into the SOA</p></li></ul></li><li><p>MOPA High Power Lasers</p><ul><li><p>Sumitomo&#8217;s SOA-Integrated DFB Laser</p></li><li><p>Nanjing University&#8217;s 12-Channel MOPA Array</p></li></ul></li><li><p>Single Cavity vs MOPA: Lumentum vs Sumitomo</p></li><li><p>Who is Actually Shipping?</p></li><li><p>Which Bet Wins</p></li></ul><div><hr></div><p><em>By reading this post, you agree to the <a href="https://www.viksnewsletter.com/p/terms-and-conditions">terms and conditions</a>. 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Reach out for institutional research at <a href="https://www.viksnewsletter.com/about#&#167;semiexponent">SemiExponent</a>.</em></p><div><hr></div><h1><span>The MOPA Concept</span></h1><p><span>The idea is simple: instead of making a single-cavity high power laser that is prone to issues like spatial hole burning and optical damage like we&#8217;ve discussed in previous articles, use a low power seed laser, and then put a power amplifier after it to boost up the power.</span></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!awwY!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4a43e7ab-b572-4366-93e2-38775925df93_950x470.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" 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class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p style="text-align: center;"><span>Source: Coherent</span></p><blockquote><p><span>Example: A MOPA UHP laser can run the MO at ~100 mW and have the PA multiply that power by a factor of 4x, or 6 dB, to produce a total of ~400 mW at the output.</span></p></blockquote><p><span>It is far simpler to make a low power laser with good spectral qualities due to the photon field in the cavity being low. A lot of the issues we discussed earlier in making UHP lasers are greatly mitigated at low laser power. Most laser manufacturers can make them at high yield.</span></p><p><span>The challenge in MOPA lasers comes from designing a power amplifier (SOA) that is good enough to boost the power to the levels needed for CPO, without degrading the spectral properties of the signal. High power amplification, whether it is radio waves or light, is no laughing matter.</span></p><p><span>When amplifiers are driven to deliver high power, they unintentionally degrade the quality of light output unless they are designed well. Having two components instead of one introduces other problems: (1) the interface between the two matter, and (2) the combination of the MO and PA should work reliably at high yield over a range of temperatures.</span></p><p><span>The concept of MOPA amplifiers is not new as they have been widely used in precision cutting, lidar and medical imaging. Those systems use discrete laser and amplifier components, along with isolators, focusing lenses and mirrors. </span><strong><span>The isolator exists to prevent the reflected light from the input of the PA from affecting the operation of the MO</span></strong><span>. This is important to remember when we discuss integrated MOPA lasers. Fibers doped with rare earths like Erbium or Ytterbium perform the power amplification, which themselves require pumping with lasers to amplify light. Mirrors and lenses guide the light across the system.</span></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!vAp3!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F04d4d654-9d9f-4b21-961b-14da121488f5_747x312.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!vAp3!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F04d4d654-9d9f-4b21-961b-14da121488f5_747x312.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!vAp3!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F04d4d654-9d9f-4b21-961b-14da121488f5_747x312.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!vAp3!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F04d4d654-9d9f-4b21-961b-14da121488f5_747x312.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!vAp3!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F04d4d654-9d9f-4b21-961b-14da121488f5_747x312.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!vAp3!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F04d4d654-9d9f-4b21-961b-14da121488f5_747x312.png" width="747" height="312" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/04d4d654-9d9f-4b21-961b-14da121488f5_747x312.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:312,&quot;width&quot;:747,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!vAp3!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F04d4d654-9d9f-4b21-961b-14da121488f5_747x312.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!vAp3!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F04d4d654-9d9f-4b21-961b-14da121488f5_747x312.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!vAp3!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F04d4d654-9d9f-4b21-961b-14da121488f5_747x312.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!vAp3!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F04d4d654-9d9f-4b21-961b-14da121488f5_747x312.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p style="text-align: center;"><span>Source: </span><a href="http://em-smart.com"><span>em-smart.com</span></a></p><p><span>Discrete MOPAs are too bulky for use as light sources for CPO. They will need to be integrated into the same InP substrate to deliver a compact light source. We will discuss integrated SOAs next.</span></p>
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   ]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[How Custom Base Die Drives HBM Bandwidth, and Who Stands to Benefit]]></title><description><![CDATA[Bandwidth over capacity, custom base die over stacked DRAM, XPU builders over the memory vendors]]></description><link>https://www.viksnewsletter.com/p/how-custom-base-die-drives-hbm-bandwidth</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.viksnewsletter.com/p/how-custom-base-die-drives-hbm-bandwidth</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Vikram Sekar]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2026 11:12:26 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/700876f0-776d-410f-adad-d99a18ec7187_1456x1048.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span>A recent notable trend is that HBM performance is decoupling from stack height. Reports over the last month that Rubin Ultra drops HBM from 12-high to 8-high have been read as a supply/cost-driven downgrade, which is true. But the larger shift is that bandwidth, not capacity, is becoming the metric that matters in HBM. What sets HBM apart going forward is bandwidth performance via the custom base die, and value accrues to whoever designs it.</span></p><p><span>The industry is already treating capacity as a problem to route around rather than stack for. At Hot Chips, the sentiment among attendees was that high HBM stacks are too expensive and possibly unnecessary. Stacking higher was the brute-force approach but as memory costs rise, hardware builders are looking elsewhere for performance. This leaves memory makers with one remaining source of upside: 16/20-high hybrid bonding, the know-how only they hold. The despec trend is a direct risk to it.</span></p><p><strong><span>This note covers:</span></strong></p><ol><li><p><strong><span>The hard road to HBM bandwidth</span></strong><span>: A look back at the rocky path to achieving high pin speeds on HBM4, and what that has taught us about memory companies.</span></p></li><li><p><strong><span>GDDR vs HBM</span></strong><span>: Memory companies know how to push GDDR lane speeds, but why HBM is different, and far more difficult.</span></p></li><li><p><strong><span>NVHBM implications</span></strong><span>: Why things are changing when design experts on logic nodes take over critical parts of the HBM stack.</span></p></li><li><p><strong><span>Where the value accrues</span></strong><span>: The rise of custom base die shifts where the value accrues in HBM, and where the pennies fall between memory companies and XPU builders.</span></p></li><li><p><strong><span>Signals to watch and potential winners</span></strong><span>: The signs are already here, but what to watch for next, and who might emerge winners in the custom base die era.</span></p></li></ol><div><hr></div><p><em>By reading this post, you agree to the <a href="https://www.viksnewsletter.com/p/terms-and-conditions">terms and conditions</a>. 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For institutional research, contact <a href="https://www.viksnewsletter.com/about#&#167;semiexponent">SemiExponent</a>.</em></p><div><hr></div><h1><span>The Hard Road to HBM Bandwidth</span></h1><p><span>A keen observation that Tanj Bennett (</span><span class="mention-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Tanj&quot;,&quot;id&quot;:43705593,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;user&quot;,&quot;url&quot;:null,&quot;photo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/285f4b51-64da-46dc-86d0-adb6d784e750_171x223.jpeg&quot;,&quot;uuid&quot;:&quot;7437fd46-3cc5-4ade-98ae-69237c9ffa94&quot;}" data-component-name="MentionToDOM"></span>) <span>from SemiAnalysis made at Hot Chips was that memory makers are not concentrating on increasing bandwidth in HBM, but instead insist on stacking DRAM die. HBM4 already has 2,048 parallel data lanes, and packaging constraints makes it difficult to double that in the next generation. The better option is to increase the speed per lane. We have seen pin speeds in HBM4 being pushed from the 8 Gbps JEDEC spec, to 10 Gbps and beyond. HBM4e even pushes this to 16 Gbps.</span></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!2508!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7f61b728-253e-4002-bfb7-5cd4cc861206_674x391.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!2508!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7f61b728-253e-4002-bfb7-5cd4cc861206_674x391.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!2508!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7f61b728-253e-4002-bfb7-5cd4cc861206_674x391.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!2508!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7f61b728-253e-4002-bfb7-5cd4cc861206_674x391.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!2508!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7f61b728-253e-4002-bfb7-5cd4cc861206_674x391.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!2508!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7f61b728-253e-4002-bfb7-5cd4cc861206_674x391.png" width="674" height="391" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/7f61b728-253e-4002-bfb7-5cd4cc861206_674x391.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:391,&quot;width&quot;:674,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!2508!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7f61b728-253e-4002-bfb7-5cd4cc861206_674x391.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!2508!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7f61b728-253e-4002-bfb7-5cd4cc861206_674x391.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!2508!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7f61b728-253e-4002-bfb7-5cd4cc861206_674x391.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!2508!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7f61b728-253e-4002-bfb7-5cd4cc861206_674x391.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p><span>Source: Samsung, Hot Chips 2026.</span></p><p><span>However, asking a memory company to push lane speeds is like asking a penguin to fly. Memory companies have had boatloads of trouble with high-speed PHY design for HBM. Here is a brief history:</span></p><ul><li><p><span>In the HBM3e era, Samsung struggled to pass qualification with NVIDIA due to a combination of yield, electrical and thermal issues. Things have notably turned around for Samsung when it comes to HBM4. Their in-house logic expertise at 4nm node provides an advantage in making high quality base die. They claim that they can push the speed to 13 Gbps per pin due to this choice.</span></p></li></ul><ul><li><p><span>SK Hynix has had significant problems with HBM4, and have allegedly caused delays in Rubin shipments. They used TSMC&#8217;s 12nm node for base die design in HBM4, and that choice has held them back from cutting edge lane speeds. It should however be sufficiently fast for current HBM deployments. SK Hynix is reportedly teaming up with Intel as a dual-source for next gen HBM base die. Our guess is that they will use Intel 3-T (Intel 3 with TSV) initially.</span></p></li><li><p><span>Micron has visibly been lagging at HBM4 due to their choice of DRAM-process node for the base die instead of a logic node. SemiAnalysis reported earlier this year that Micron&#8217;s share of HBM in Rubin would be zero for the first 12 months. This view seems to have changed since, with Micron getting qualified on Rubin along with SK Hynix and Samsung.</span></p></li></ul><p><span>According to Counterpoint research, the current global HBM market share is led by SK Hynix, followed by equal shares between Samsung and Micron. SK Hynix has been NVIDIA&#8217;s largest supplier, and Samsung is gaining in Rubin allocations.</span></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!JIvV!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbe23d29d-45e2-4a37-ac7c-ea7ade80e456_2000x954.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!JIvV!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbe23d29d-45e2-4a37-ac7c-ea7ade80e456_2000x954.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!JIvV!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbe23d29d-45e2-4a37-ac7c-ea7ade80e456_2000x954.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!JIvV!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbe23d29d-45e2-4a37-ac7c-ea7ade80e456_2000x954.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!JIvV!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbe23d29d-45e2-4a37-ac7c-ea7ade80e456_2000x954.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!JIvV!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbe23d29d-45e2-4a37-ac7c-ea7ade80e456_2000x954.png" width="1456" height="695" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/be23d29d-45e2-4a37-ac7c-ea7ade80e456_2000x954.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:695,&quot;width&quot;:1456,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!JIvV!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbe23d29d-45e2-4a37-ac7c-ea7ade80e456_2000x954.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!JIvV!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbe23d29d-45e2-4a37-ac7c-ea7ade80e456_2000x954.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!JIvV!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbe23d29d-45e2-4a37-ac7c-ea7ade80e456_2000x954.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!JIvV!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbe23d29d-45e2-4a37-ac7c-ea7ade80e456_2000x954.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p><span>The market equilibrium HBM4 has reached is a consequence of fierce competition, delays, and fears of market share loss, where the supplier-buyer relationship has been tested several times over. Getting more HBM bandwidth means that amateur hour is over, and the value is going to tilt in the favor of those who know how to design high speed PHY links with logic nodes.</span></p><h1><span>PHY Design: GDDR vs HBM</span></h1><p><span>While memory companies have dealt with fast interface speeds in GDDR products, the difficulty in HBM is next level. It is important to understand the physics at play.</span></p><ul><li><p><span>Bus width: GDDR7 relies on a 32-bit wide bus running at 48 Gbps per pin, but the fewer wires compared to HBM means that crosstalk is lesser, and heat is more distributed over the motherboard. HBM4 runs a 2,048-wide bus where the crosstalk between wires is much higher, and thermal dissipation is challenging.</span></p></li><li><p><span>PHY design: The circuits that push bits across a bus are substantially larger if they need to run fast, and consume more power. Circuit techniques to recover signal integrity at fast data rates are required like multilevel signalling, Decision Feedback Equalization (DFE) and Continuous Time Linear Equalization (CTLE), which takes physical space to implement (note: we explain this in simple terms on the </span><a href="https://youtu.be/u3Le3CBnFM4?si=eCJmryhsO7gon2QX"><span>Semi Doped podcast episode on Astera Labs retimers</span></a><span>, if you are interested). Most of these techniques have become important at HBM3e and beyond as vendors push lane speeds, but are still vastly simplified compared to GDDR7.</span></p></li></ul><p><span>The table below from Rambus shows the differences between GDDR6 and HBM2 design, as an example.</span></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!e7Ao!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa9316023-3239-4704-ab64-33686f09caf4_680x312.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!e7Ao!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa9316023-3239-4704-ab64-33686f09caf4_680x312.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!e7Ao!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa9316023-3239-4704-ab64-33686f09caf4_680x312.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!e7Ao!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa9316023-3239-4704-ab64-33686f09caf4_680x312.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!e7Ao!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa9316023-3239-4704-ab64-33686f09caf4_680x312.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!e7Ao!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa9316023-3239-4704-ab64-33686f09caf4_680x312.png" width="680" height="312" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/a9316023-3239-4704-ab64-33686f09caf4_680x312.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:312,&quot;width&quot;:680,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!e7Ao!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa9316023-3239-4704-ab64-33686f09caf4_680x312.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!e7Ao!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa9316023-3239-4704-ab64-33686f09caf4_680x312.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!e7Ao!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa9316023-3239-4704-ab64-33686f09caf4_680x312.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!e7Ao!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa9316023-3239-4704-ab64-33686f09caf4_680x312.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p><span>The need for HBM to work with XPUs in an unforgiving thermal environment while having strict performance requirements imposed by the likes of NVIDIA makes it challenging. While GDDR memory has been put into consumer graphics cards, the sheer scale of AI accelerators makes it a different problem &#8211; one that memory companies are not best poised to solve. Building faster PHY blocks in HBM for AI accelerators is arguably out of many memory companies&#8217; core competence. Yet, this is exactly what the industry needs: better design of circuits on base die to push the performance.</span></p><h1><span>NVHBM: Amateur Hour is Over</span></h1><p><a href="https://developer.nvidia.com/blog/nvidia-nvlink-fusion-brings-nvhbm-to-next-generation-ai-infrastructure/"><span>NVIDIA recently announced NVHBM</span></a><span>, which they describe as:</span></p><blockquote><p><span>&#8220;a custom HBM base-die technology designed and validated with leading memory vendors that enables increased memory bandwidth, better area savings, and lower power consumption.&#8221;</span></p></blockquote><p><span>The implication of this announcement is much more significant than industry commentary realizes. As one </span><a href="https://x.com/bookwormengr/status/2094380151396348272?s=20"><span>X comment</span></a><span> rightly put it, &#8220;base die is the Trojan horse into the memory industry.&#8221; So far, NVIDIA has had to live with the base die design choices made by memory companies, some of which are highly questionable as we discussed earlier. NVHBM is NVIDIA&#8217;s way of taking destiny into their own hands.</span></p><p><span>NVHBM moves the memory controller from the XPU to the custom base die, while the PHY interface itself is smaller on both the base die and the XPU. This picture from Samsung conveys how a good PHY design saves space on both the XPU and the custom base die.</span></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!92io!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb373e6eb-957a-4b45-9fc8-2ff6d709f72a_695x573.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!92io!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb373e6eb-957a-4b45-9fc8-2ff6d709f72a_695x573.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!92io!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb373e6eb-957a-4b45-9fc8-2ff6d709f72a_695x573.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!92io!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb373e6eb-957a-4b45-9fc8-2ff6d709f72a_695x573.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!92io!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb373e6eb-957a-4b45-9fc8-2ff6d709f72a_695x573.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!92io!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb373e6eb-957a-4b45-9fc8-2ff6d709f72a_695x573.png" width="695" height="573" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/b373e6eb-957a-4b45-9fc8-2ff6d709f72a_695x573.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:573,&quot;width&quot;:695,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!92io!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb373e6eb-957a-4b45-9fc8-2ff6d709f72a_695x573.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!92io!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb373e6eb-957a-4b45-9fc8-2ff6d709f72a_695x573.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!92io!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb373e6eb-957a-4b45-9fc8-2ff6d709f72a_695x573.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!92io!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb373e6eb-957a-4b45-9fc8-2ff6d709f72a_695x573.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p><span>NVIDIA claims that NVHBM provides improved performance. Here is a table from their technical blog.</span></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!P3XZ!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc973a32e-6600-4b39-a097-81478849ebe1_1768x524.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!P3XZ!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc973a32e-6600-4b39-a097-81478849ebe1_1768x524.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!P3XZ!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc973a32e-6600-4b39-a097-81478849ebe1_1768x524.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!P3XZ!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc973a32e-6600-4b39-a097-81478849ebe1_1768x524.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!P3XZ!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc973a32e-6600-4b39-a097-81478849ebe1_1768x524.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!P3XZ!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc973a32e-6600-4b39-a097-81478849ebe1_1768x524.png" width="1456" height="432" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/c973a32e-6600-4b39-a097-81478849ebe1_1768x524.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:432,&quot;width&quot;:1456,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!P3XZ!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc973a32e-6600-4b39-a097-81478849ebe1_1768x524.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!P3XZ!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc973a32e-6600-4b39-a097-81478849ebe1_1768x524.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!P3XZ!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc973a32e-6600-4b39-a097-81478849ebe1_1768x524.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!P3XZ!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc973a32e-6600-4b39-a097-81478849ebe1_1768x524.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p><span>Source: NVIDIA</span></p><p><span>A 30% higher memory bandwidth than HBM4e, which would put the per pin rate at &gt;20 Gbps while having 15% lower power usage. The smaller PHY design frees up additional space for more compute cores in the XPU die. NVIDIA&#8217;s blog shows how this works in a custom ASIC accelerator.</span></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!LEGf!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fedf6a4cb-11d4-4e4a-a7b8-b9b3029cb59f_1323x609.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!LEGf!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fedf6a4cb-11d4-4e4a-a7b8-b9b3029cb59f_1323x609.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!LEGf!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fedf6a4cb-11d4-4e4a-a7b8-b9b3029cb59f_1323x609.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!LEGf!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fedf6a4cb-11d4-4e4a-a7b8-b9b3029cb59f_1323x609.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!LEGf!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fedf6a4cb-11d4-4e4a-a7b8-b9b3029cb59f_1323x609.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!LEGf!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fedf6a4cb-11d4-4e4a-a7b8-b9b3029cb59f_1323x609.png" width="1323" height="609" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/edf6a4cb-11d4-4e4a-a7b8-b9b3029cb59f_1323x609.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:609,&quot;width&quot;:1323,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!LEGf!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fedf6a4cb-11d4-4e4a-a7b8-b9b3029cb59f_1323x609.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!LEGf!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fedf6a4cb-11d4-4e4a-a7b8-b9b3029cb59f_1323x609.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!LEGf!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fedf6a4cb-11d4-4e4a-a7b8-b9b3029cb59f_1323x609.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!LEGf!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fedf6a4cb-11d4-4e4a-a7b8-b9b3029cb59f_1323x609.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p><span>Source: NVIDIA</span></p><p><span>NVIDIA has actually published </span><a href="https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/10356114"><span>research in the Journal of Solid State Circuits</span></a><span> on high-speed die-to-die interfaces where they demonstrated 25.2 Gbps/link at an energy efficiency of 0.19 pJ/bit over a 1.2mm link on TSMC 5nm. We won&#8217;t go into the technical details here, but the marketing specs around the NVHBM announcement seem feasible given their published work.</span></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZzKE!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7c6a5dcb-50d6-4c0d-b01c-a456f8ffb566_1066x358.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZzKE!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7c6a5dcb-50d6-4c0d-b01c-a456f8ffb566_1066x358.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZzKE!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7c6a5dcb-50d6-4c0d-b01c-a456f8ffb566_1066x358.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZzKE!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7c6a5dcb-50d6-4c0d-b01c-a456f8ffb566_1066x358.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZzKE!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7c6a5dcb-50d6-4c0d-b01c-a456f8ffb566_1066x358.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZzKE!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7c6a5dcb-50d6-4c0d-b01c-a456f8ffb566_1066x358.png" width="1066" height="358" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/7c6a5dcb-50d6-4c0d-b01c-a456f8ffb566_1066x358.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:358,&quot;width&quot;:1066,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZzKE!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7c6a5dcb-50d6-4c0d-b01c-a456f8ffb566_1066x358.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZzKE!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7c6a5dcb-50d6-4c0d-b01c-a456f8ffb566_1066x358.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZzKE!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7c6a5dcb-50d6-4c0d-b01c-a456f8ffb566_1066x358.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZzKE!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7c6a5dcb-50d6-4c0d-b01c-a456f8ffb566_1066x358.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p><span>A custom base die design in the hands of a circuit design company such as NVIDIA, Broadcom, AMD, Marvell, or similar, would bring the world&#8217;s best PHY designers to the problem of increased HBM bandwidth. The co-design of the custom base die with the XPU opens up possibilities to push the performance even higher &#8211; a path we are just getting started on. If you want to understand more about what custom base die enables, see my free post from the Hot Chips memory tutorial below.</span></p><div class="digest-post-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;nodeId&quot;:&quot;f2bc192b-6650-4fde-af96-2549a6dc77db&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;This is my first time attending the Hot Chips conference and the overall vibe was a small, tight knit conference with a lot of interactions. No parallel tracks running and continuously having to choose what to attend. 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   ]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Hot Chips 2026: Tuning into Memory Vibes]]></title><description><![CDATA[Micron, Samsung, SK Hynix.]]></description><link>https://www.viksnewsletter.com/p/hot-chips-2026-tuning-into-memory</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.viksnewsletter.com/p/hot-chips-2026-tuning-into-memory</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Vikram Sekar]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2026 05:30:55 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!h33c!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F598bd80b-d205-46d6-a8ad-7ebfe578cfa6_2426x1096.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is my first time attending the Hot Chips conference and the overall vibe was a small, tight knit conference with a lot of interactions. No parallel tracks running and continuously having to choose what to attend. The talks from big companies, especially the big three, were pretty detailed; think of it as a collection of heavily technical keynotes.</p><p>In this quick note, we will cover presentations from the big three memory players. These are only initial captures from my notes. There is a lot to think about regarding implications and what the proceedings mean for the roadmap, but that takes time. </p><p><strong>Contents:</strong></p><ul><li><p>Micron</p></li><li><p>Samsung</p></li><li><p>SK Hynix</p></li></ul><p><em><strong>This is a free post. I hope you enjoy it.</strong></em></p><div><hr></div><p><em>By reading this post, you agree to the <a href="https://www.viksnewsletter.com/p/terms-and-conditions">terms and conditions</a>. Also see the <a href="https://www.viksnewsletter.com/p/ethics">full ethics statement</a>.</em></p><p><em>If you&#8217;re new, check out the <a href="https://www.viksnewsletter.com/about">About page</a>. 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If you have any questions, reply to this email and let me know!</em></p><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.viksnewsletter.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption"><em>Sign up below for all these newsletters!</em></p></div><form class="subscription-widget-subscribe"><input type="email" class="email-input" name="email" placeholder="Type your email&#8230;" tabindex="-1"><input type="submit" class="button primary" value="Subscribe"><div class="fake-input-wrapper"><div class="fake-input"></div><div class="fake-button"></div></div></form></div></div><p></p><p><em>Also check out the <a href="https://www.viksnewsletter.com/about#&#167;semi-doped-podcast">Semi Doped podcast</a> with  and myself, and <a href="https://daily.semidoped.com/">our daily free newsletter</a> with latest semi news.</em></p><p><em>If you would like to engage independent research services for your project or need expert calls, check out my boutique consulting practice at <a href="https://www.viksnewsletter.com/about#&#167;semiexponent">SemiExponent</a>.</em></p><div><hr></div><h3>Micron: We&#8217;re so important, we make HBM</h3><p>This talk was definitely the most unimpressive of the big three, so let&#8217;s get it out of the way first. Most of the talk was about the regular culprits like the memory wall, standard roofline curves, and how stacking enables high memory bandwidth. For an audience tuned to AI (aka, most of the lecture hall), this is not news. Only a few things stood out, and we&#8217;ll mention those quickly.</p><p>The slide below was one of the more informative comparison slides between the different HBM generations. Most tables like these only cover the overall memory bandwidth, capacity, and stack height. <mark data-color="#c9daf8" style="background-color: rgb(201, 218, 248); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">This one compares number of channels, pseudo-channels, burst length, processor controller (PC) width, and bitrate per lane, in addition to the usual numbers.</mark> The level of detail is admirable. We will not get into what they all mean here, but the main thing to note is that HBM has a lot more technical metrics that matter to performance than meets the eye on marketing slides.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!y0ER!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4c33cc66-e403-4cfc-97ad-e79db6616bc0_1706x948.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!y0ER!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4c33cc66-e403-4cfc-97ad-e79db6616bc0_1706x948.png 424w, 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Of note was the fact that <mark data-color="#c9daf8" style="background-color: rgb(201, 218, 248); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">HBM is the 2nd most important root cause of training-run interruptions</mark>, apart from the GPU being faulty itself. Software and networking were #3 and #4, respectively. You can read the whole study <a href="https://arxiv.org/pdf/2407.21783">here</a>. </p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!0ySb!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3ac582aa-72c0-4cea-a5c4-cf94af6bd26c_1692x952.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!0ySb!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3ac582aa-72c0-4cea-a5c4-cf94af6bd26c_1692x952.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!0ySb!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3ac582aa-72c0-4cea-a5c4-cf94af6bd26c_1692x952.png 848w, 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Given the recent rumors of HBM stack height downgrades, it is questionable if some of these are even required in the future. Except custom base die. That is important, and will continue to exist in logic node implementations &#8212; I argue even in lower stack height implementations. Samsung will explain why next.</p><h3>Samsung: Custom base die on logic nodes because we can </h3><p>I enjoyed Samsung&#8217;s talk so much that I live tweeted the key takeaways from the conference. We&#8217;ll briefly expand on these topics here.</p><div class="twitter-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://x.com/vikramskr/status/2091580647437713527?s=20&quot;,&quot;full_text&quot;:&quot;Samsung's custom HBM talk is great. Building a base die on leading edge node affords the following advantages:\n\n1) The TSV PHY block gets smaller enabling more parallel TSVs\n\n2) The D2D PHY gets smaller which means that silicon area on both the base die and the XPU gets smaller.&quot;,&quot;username&quot;:&quot;vikramskr&quot;,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Vikram Sekar&quot;,&quot;profile_image_url&quot;:&quot;https://pbs.substack.com/profile_images/1864653638054105088/Rf_mIEz0_normal.jpg&quot;,&quot;date&quot;:&quot;2026-08-23T17:37:40.000Z&quot;,&quot;photos&quot;:[],&quot;quoted_tweet&quot;:{},&quot;reply_count&quot;:4,&quot;retweet_count&quot;:11,&quot;like_count&quot;:90,&quot;impression_count&quot;:12174,&quot;expanded_url&quot;:null,&quot;video_url&quot;:null,&quot;video_preview_media_key&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true}" data-component-name="Twitter2ToDOM"></div><p>Interestingly, they had some charts showing how HBM5 would evolve in terms of spec. Even though nothing is set in stone, it&#8217;s fun to see charts up and to the right.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Q4J7!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff10ca8a0-5c3c-4ecf-880e-266c34543798_1592x888.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Q4J7!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff10ca8a0-5c3c-4ecf-880e-266c34543798_1592x888.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Q4J7!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff10ca8a0-5c3c-4ecf-880e-266c34543798_1592x888.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Q4J7!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff10ca8a0-5c3c-4ecf-880e-266c34543798_1592x888.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Q4J7!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff10ca8a0-5c3c-4ecf-880e-266c34543798_1592x888.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Q4J7!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff10ca8a0-5c3c-4ecf-880e-266c34543798_1592x888.png" width="1456" height="812" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/f10ca8a0-5c3c-4ecf-880e-266c34543798_1592x888.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:812,&quot;width&quot;:1456,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:176966,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/png&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://www.viksnewsletter.com/i/212491058?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff10ca8a0-5c3c-4ecf-880e-266c34543798_1592x888.png&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Q4J7!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff10ca8a0-5c3c-4ecf-880e-266c34543798_1592x888.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Q4J7!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff10ca8a0-5c3c-4ecf-880e-266c34543798_1592x888.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Q4J7!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff10ca8a0-5c3c-4ecf-880e-266c34543798_1592x888.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Q4J7!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff10ca8a0-5c3c-4ecf-880e-266c34543798_1592x888.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>HBM5 with a capacity of 60GB and 6 TB/s bandwidth would be nice. Let&#8217;s calculate some numbers here. <mark data-color="#c9daf8" style="background-color: rgb(201, 218, 248); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">6 TB/s with 2,048 lanes would mean 23.5 Gbps per pin</mark>. We are currently at 16 Gbps state-of-the-art, and that is a significant step up that is likely possible with an advanced logic node. <mark data-color="#c9daf8" style="background-color: rgb(201, 218, 248); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">For 60 GB capacity with 3 GB per die, that would put the stack height at 20 high.</mark> </p><p>In a separate slide, Samsung confirms that HBM4E is running at 16 Gbps per pin. HBM5 calculations we did above are also validated in the chart below.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!7y3o!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3cd4595e-00da-4ff7-9e49-fe2a5755c2dc_1114x686.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!7y3o!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3cd4595e-00da-4ff7-9e49-fe2a5755c2dc_1114x686.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!7y3o!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3cd4595e-00da-4ff7-9e49-fe2a5755c2dc_1114x686.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!7y3o!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3cd4595e-00da-4ff7-9e49-fe2a5755c2dc_1114x686.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!7y3o!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3cd4595e-00da-4ff7-9e49-fe2a5755c2dc_1114x686.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!7y3o!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3cd4595e-00da-4ff7-9e49-fe2a5755c2dc_1114x686.png" width="544" height="334.99461400359064" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/3cd4595e-00da-4ff7-9e49-fe2a5755c2dc_1114x686.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:686,&quot;width&quot;:1114,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:544,&quot;bytes&quot;:173120,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/png&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://www.viksnewsletter.com/i/212491058?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3cd4595e-00da-4ff7-9e49-fe2a5755c2dc_1114x686.png&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!7y3o!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3cd4595e-00da-4ff7-9e49-fe2a5755c2dc_1114x686.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!7y3o!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3cd4595e-00da-4ff7-9e49-fe2a5755c2dc_1114x686.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!7y3o!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3cd4595e-00da-4ff7-9e49-fe2a5755c2dc_1114x686.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!7y3o!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3cd4595e-00da-4ff7-9e49-fe2a5755c2dc_1114x686.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>Samsung&#8217;s clear advantage is that they have a logic node in-house unlike Micron and SK Hynix who need to partner with somebody to get it. They were sure to play up their advantages here by explaining how custom base die is important going forward. Samsung is using 1c node for memory and 4nm node for logic. It results in a significant power reduction in the base die. The slide below is a silent dig at Micron who used DRAM nodes for logic die in HBM4. </p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!PFEh!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4cf43826-fdbd-479c-ba21-8ea82be4650e_1590x888.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!PFEh!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4cf43826-fdbd-479c-ba21-8ea82be4650e_1590x888.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!PFEh!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4cf43826-fdbd-479c-ba21-8ea82be4650e_1590x888.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!PFEh!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4cf43826-fdbd-479c-ba21-8ea82be4650e_1590x888.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!PFEh!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4cf43826-fdbd-479c-ba21-8ea82be4650e_1590x888.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!PFEh!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4cf43826-fdbd-479c-ba21-8ea82be4650e_1590x888.png" width="1456" height="813" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/4cf43826-fdbd-479c-ba21-8ea82be4650e_1590x888.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:813,&quot;width&quot;:1456,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:319403,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/png&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://www.viksnewsletter.com/i/212491058?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4cf43826-fdbd-479c-ba21-8ea82be4650e_1590x888.png&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!PFEh!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4cf43826-fdbd-479c-ba21-8ea82be4650e_1590x888.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!PFEh!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4cf43826-fdbd-479c-ba21-8ea82be4650e_1590x888.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!PFEh!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4cf43826-fdbd-479c-ba21-8ea82be4650e_1590x888.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!PFEh!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4cf43826-fdbd-479c-ba21-8ea82be4650e_1590x888.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>What was even better was how Samsung broke up the roadmap into three clear phases. We&#8217;ll cover each one.</p><h4>Phase 1: The Low Hanging Fruit</h4><p>When there is a logic node in the base die, the physical footprint of the HBM PHY block reduces in area and also becomes more energy efficient. This means that the block that works on die-to-die connects between HBM and XPU gets smaller. 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It was interesting that they provided actual sizes of their PHY blocks in various HBM generations.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!cND4!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F56402137-558e-433d-830c-02c30dbe07e2_1186x662.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!cND4!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F56402137-558e-433d-830c-02c30dbe07e2_1186x662.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!cND4!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F56402137-558e-433d-830c-02c30dbe07e2_1186x662.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!cND4!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F56402137-558e-433d-830c-02c30dbe07e2_1186x662.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!cND4!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F56402137-558e-433d-830c-02c30dbe07e2_1186x662.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!cND4!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F56402137-558e-433d-830c-02c30dbe07e2_1186x662.png" width="1186" height="662" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/56402137-558e-433d-830c-02c30dbe07e2_1186x662.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:662,&quot;width&quot;:1186,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:293390,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/png&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://www.viksnewsletter.com/i/212491058?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F56402137-558e-433d-830c-02c30dbe07e2_1186x662.png&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!cND4!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F56402137-558e-433d-830c-02c30dbe07e2_1186x662.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!cND4!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F56402137-558e-433d-830c-02c30dbe07e2_1186x662.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!cND4!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F56402137-558e-433d-830c-02c30dbe07e2_1186x662.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!cND4!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F56402137-558e-433d-830c-02c30dbe07e2_1186x662.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p><mark data-color="#c9daf8" style="background-color: rgb(201, 218, 248); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Samsung also mentioned that they were not inclined to use UCIe for their D2D link because of larger size and poorer energy per bit. They said that their custom PHY implementation was better in performance.</mark> When moving to HBM5, they showed the concept of an integrated <a href="https://semiconductor.samsung.com/news-events/tech-blog/introducing-a-new-package-architecture-for-improved-thermal-efficiency-in-mobile-application-processors/">Heat Path Block (HPB)</a> to cool the D2D PHY region.</p><p>The next big advantage is memory controller offloading which can be moved from the XPU to the custom base die. This reclaims area in the XPU die which can then be used to drive up flops.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!azxK!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5638502a-59ba-433d-8b0f-4bdebca8c4f2_1194x662.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!azxK!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5638502a-59ba-433d-8b0f-4bdebca8c4f2_1194x662.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!azxK!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5638502a-59ba-433d-8b0f-4bdebca8c4f2_1194x662.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!azxK!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5638502a-59ba-433d-8b0f-4bdebca8c4f2_1194x662.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!azxK!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5638502a-59ba-433d-8b0f-4bdebca8c4f2_1194x662.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!azxK!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5638502a-59ba-433d-8b0f-4bdebca8c4f2_1194x662.png" width="1194" height="662" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/5638502a-59ba-433d-8b0f-4bdebca8c4f2_1194x662.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:662,&quot;width&quot;:1194,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:178371,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/png&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://www.viksnewsletter.com/i/212491058?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5638502a-59ba-433d-8b0f-4bdebca8c4f2_1194x662.png&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!azxK!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5638502a-59ba-433d-8b0f-4bdebca8c4f2_1194x662.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!azxK!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5638502a-59ba-433d-8b0f-4bdebca8c4f2_1194x662.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!azxK!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5638502a-59ba-433d-8b0f-4bdebca8c4f2_1194x662.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!azxK!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5638502a-59ba-433d-8b0f-4bdebca8c4f2_1194x662.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p></p><p>The new benefit of having a logic node in the base die is that you can have SRAM. If a particular cell in the DRAM stack is broken, the information in that cell can instead be stored in SRAM and the memory controller will look up SRAM for those cells instead of failed DRAM cells. 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The extra space available is useful for a few things like Repairability-Availability-Servicability (RAS), testing, and collecting telemetry data about the health/status of the HBM memory stack. <mark data-color="#c9daf8" style="background-color: rgb(201, 218, 248); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">HBM telemetry data will be very useful given that it is the #2 thing to kill a training run.</mark></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!qD3f!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F03f06d96-4d3e-42f6-b8e5-079164386b61_2380x1328.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" 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stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>If there is even more silicon area left over, then one can build another <mark data-color="#c9daf8" style="background-color: rgb(201, 218, 248); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">memory extension controller to connect another HBM stack behind the first one or put in a DRAM chip to extend memory</mark>.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!o_Cu!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2bc62135-a51b-4a94-ac90-a07188665473_2376x1330.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div 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The benefit is that some compute like matrix compression or encoding can be done on the logic die without ever leaving this base die. This has latency and efficiency advantages.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!avjv!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F505faea6-00fa-4d3e-b94b-845dfc4a6c2a_2382x1290.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!avjv!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F505faea6-00fa-4d3e-b94b-845dfc4a6c2a_2382x1290.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!avjv!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F505faea6-00fa-4d3e-b94b-845dfc4a6c2a_2382x1290.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!avjv!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F505faea6-00fa-4d3e-b94b-845dfc4a6c2a_2382x1290.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!avjv!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F505faea6-00fa-4d3e-b94b-845dfc4a6c2a_2382x1290.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!avjv!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F505faea6-00fa-4d3e-b94b-845dfc4a6c2a_2382x1290.png" width="1456" height="789" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/505faea6-00fa-4d3e-b94b-845dfc4a6c2a_2382x1290.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:789,&quot;width&quot;:1456,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:434179,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/png&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://www.viksnewsletter.com/i/212491058?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F505faea6-00fa-4d3e-b94b-845dfc4a6c2a_2382x1290.png&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!avjv!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F505faea6-00fa-4d3e-b94b-845dfc4a6c2a_2382x1290.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!avjv!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F505faea6-00fa-4d3e-b94b-845dfc4a6c2a_2382x1290.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!avjv!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F505faea6-00fa-4d3e-b94b-845dfc4a6c2a_2382x1290.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!avjv!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F505faea6-00fa-4d3e-b94b-845dfc4a6c2a_2382x1290.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>If that all works out, then one can in theory construct the nice little accelerator on the bottom right. It is easy to draw block diagrams like this, and conceptually nice to imagine, but its real performance benefits are questionable.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!0F8V!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F073af16f-f2dc-43e8-bfbb-8db8ac6ec389_1322x782.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!0F8V!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F073af16f-f2dc-43e8-bfbb-8db8ac6ec389_1322x782.png 424w, 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The distance between compute and memory is short, and thus bits need to be shuffled across much shorter distances which gives power efficiency benefits and increased memory bandwidth due to the ability to use more parallel data paths across the chip area rather than just the beach front.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!niUo!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0777f35e-5db6-447e-959d-d786c5acdf09_2386x1330.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!niUo!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0777f35e-5db6-447e-959d-d786c5acdf09_2386x1330.png 424w, 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It proves that they have a path to an improved product in the future, and that is good to see in a company. Whether the market is ready to uptake that product is a different argument.</p><h3>SK Hynix: MR-MUF advantage ends with Hybrid Bonding</h3><p>SK Hynix&#8217;s performance advantage in HBM has always been their use of Mass-Reflow Mold-UnderFill (MR-MUF) technique which provides them with a unique advantage over Thermo Compression Bonding (TCB) we have discussed in detail in the past on this newsletter.</p><div class="digest-post-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;nodeId&quot;:&quot;bbd2f3c2-7fa0-46bd-8774-974b8b220404&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;Welcome to a &#128274; subscriber-only deep-dive edition &#128274; of my weekly newsletter. Each week, I help investors, professionals and students stay up-to-date on complex topics, and navigate the semiconductor industry.&quot;,&quot;cta&quot;:null,&quot;showBylines&quot;:true,&quot;showDescription&quot;:true,&quot;showImage&quot;:true,&quot;size&quot;:&quot;sm&quot;,&quot;isEditorNode&quot;:true,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;Why is High Bandwidth Memory so Hard to Manufacture?&quot;,&quot;publishedBylines&quot;:[{&quot;id&quot;:124411709,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Vikram Sekar&quot;,&quot;bio&quot;:&quot;Physics-first semi research&quot;,&quot;photo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/afc78b68-c3cf-4c29-94f3-1422781e3e92_185x185.png&quot;,&quot;is_guest&quot;:false,&quot;bestseller_tier&quot;:1000}],&quot;post_date&quot;:&quot;2025-08-31T18:29:21.675Z&quot;,&quot;cover_image&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/3146717f-b3a1-453c-b5d8-15c49bd9a144_1456x1048.png&quot;,&quot;cover_image_alt&quot;:null,&quot;canonical_url&quot;:&quot;https://www.viksnewsletter.com/p/why-is-hbm-so-hard-to-manufacture&quot;,&quot;section_name&quot;:null,&quot;video_upload_id&quot;:null,&quot;id&quot;:171563737,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;newsletter&quot;,&quot;reaction_count&quot;:67,&quot;comment_count&quot;:2,&quot;publication_id&quot;:2065897,&quot;publication_name&quot;:&quot;Vik's Newsletter&quot;,&quot;publication_logo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9JlA!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa409d69d-ca10-4bfe-a1fc-f8d291690566_185x185.png&quot;,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;youtube_url&quot;:null,&quot;show_links&quot;:null,&quot;feed_url&quot;:null}"></div><p>The slide below from SK Hynix highlights this advantage.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!h3aA!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F12458f26-b321-4ba2-94ca-0e918a54955a_2368x1288.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" 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stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>In fact, they have no problem in boldly claiming that MRMUF method works well for 16-high HBM, but that it would require 775 microns of overall stack height. The JEDEC spec was actually revised to support the larger height, so it does add up.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!H28d!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F37bbbc6c-f44e-4a45-8cb9-abb9d70b7092_2358x1328.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!H28d!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F37bbbc6c-f44e-4a45-8cb9-abb9d70b7092_2358x1328.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!H28d!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F37bbbc6c-f44e-4a45-8cb9-abb9d70b7092_2358x1328.png 848w, 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Given that the cost of memory alone is well above half the overall cost of a rack, the industry is trending to rely less on HBM if possible. This is where the news of de-specing HBM from 12-high to 8-high, and possibly even 4-high for some SKUs is coming from.</p><p>The slide below shows the benefit of MRMUF over TCB, where the thermal resistance is lower, and consequently results in better removal of heat from the middle regions of the stack. When hybrid bonding is used, the &#8220;secret sauce&#8221; of SK Hynix with MRMUF is no more, and everybody&#8217;s hybrid bonded HBM falls to the same level. If it comes down to this, it comes down to execution.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!mkxx!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9a2527eb-efaa-49b6-9f1e-c9f2968e377c_2356x1288.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!mkxx!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9a2527eb-efaa-49b6-9f1e-c9f2968e377c_2356x1288.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!mkxx!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9a2527eb-efaa-49b6-9f1e-c9f2968e377c_2356x1288.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!mkxx!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9a2527eb-efaa-49b6-9f1e-c9f2968e377c_2356x1288.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!mkxx!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9a2527eb-efaa-49b6-9f1e-c9f2968e377c_2356x1288.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!mkxx!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9a2527eb-efaa-49b6-9f1e-c9f2968e377c_2356x1288.png" width="1456" height="796" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/9a2527eb-efaa-49b6-9f1e-c9f2968e377c_2356x1288.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:796,&quot;width&quot;:1456,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:1484807,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/png&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://www.viksnewsletter.com/i/212491058?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9a2527eb-efaa-49b6-9f1e-c9f2968e377c_2356x1288.png&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!mkxx!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9a2527eb-efaa-49b6-9f1e-c9f2968e377c_2356x1288.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!mkxx!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9a2527eb-efaa-49b6-9f1e-c9f2968e377c_2356x1288.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!mkxx!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9a2527eb-efaa-49b6-9f1e-c9f2968e377c_2356x1288.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!mkxx!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9a2527eb-efaa-49b6-9f1e-c9f2968e377c_2356x1288.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>The thermal management slide from SK Hynix below has an unusual comparison table that shows how <mark data-color="#c9daf8" style="background-color: rgb(201, 218, 248); 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Samsung has Heat Block Path (HPB), and SK Hynix has Integrated Cooling Enging (ICE). Micron is just going to &#8220;improve circuit design&#8221; to get there. 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It is not clear which one it is at the moment.</p><p>Lastly, there is an interesting mention on Intel&#8217;s EMIB on SK Hynix&#8217;s slide, noting that there are some customers using their memory with Intel&#8217;s packaging.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!UGQi!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fed1f5b4d-868d-49d6-85a1-818c644b32bc_2304x1318.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!UGQi!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fed1f5b4d-868d-49d6-85a1-818c644b32bc_2304x1318.png 424w, 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It enables a higher data rate per pin, and we can see it being used even with lower stack heights due to all the advantages that Samsung pointed out.</p><p>The use of custom base die is, in a sense, decoupled from the stack height because it materially provides a plethora of advantages over a standard base die developed in a memory technology. In this regard, Samsung has the advantage in this playing field due to the availability of in-house advanced logic processes.</p><p>Lastly, I really love beautiful 3D renders of HBM sitting next to GPUs. SK Hynix&#8217;s look the best.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!h33c!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F598bd80b-d205-46d6-a8ad-7ebfe578cfa6_2426x1096.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!h33c!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F598bd80b-d205-46d6-a8ad-7ebfe578cfa6_2426x1096.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!h33c!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F598bd80b-d205-46d6-a8ad-7ebfe578cfa6_2426x1096.png 848w, 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discussed some mixed messaging around the copper-optics transition. You can find the whole report below. In this report, we will discuss other networking themes from the conference, and a short section on the evolution of power architectures.</p><div class="digest-post-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;nodeId&quot;:&quot;05c98c8b-939a-41e9-a1af-2d458b04f8ed&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;There was a lot of networking content at OCP APAC and for good reason. Gilad Shainer, SVP of Networking in Nvidia explained that it&#8217;s much more than just hooking stuff up: networking is compute, and is the only way scaling laws can continue into the future. Hock Tan of Broadcom has also said &#8220;network is the computer&#8221; before.&quot;,&quot;cta&quot;:null,&quot;showBylines&quot;:true,&quot;showDescription&quot;:true,&quot;showImage&quot;:true,&quot;size&quot;:&quot;sm&quot;,&quot;isEditorNode&quot;:true,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;OCP APAC: Copper vs. Optics Contradictions&quot;,&quot;publishedBylines&quot;:[{&quot;id&quot;:124411709,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Vikram Sekar&quot;,&quot;bio&quot;:&quot;Physics-first semi research&quot;,&quot;photo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/afc78b68-c3cf-4c29-94f3-1422781e3e92_185x185.png&quot;,&quot;is_guest&quot;:false,&quot;bestseller_tier&quot;:1000}],&quot;post_date&quot;:&quot;2026-08-13T02:39:10.801Z&quot;,&quot;cover_image&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/fe8cb941-c276-48ce-8231-de9667a44e81_1456x1048.png&quot;,&quot;cover_image_alt&quot;:null,&quot;canonical_url&quot;:&quot;https://www.viksnewsletter.com/p/ocp-apac-copper-vs-optics-contradictions&quot;,&quot;section_name&quot;:null,&quot;video_upload_id&quot;:null,&quot;id&quot;:210861104,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;newsletter&quot;,&quot;reaction_count&quot;:54,&quot;comment_count&quot;:0,&quot;publication_id&quot;:2065897,&quot;publication_name&quot;:&quot;Vik's Newsletter&quot;,&quot;publication_logo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9JlA!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa409d69d-ca10-4bfe-a1fc-f8d291690566_185x185.png&quot;,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:false,&quot;youtube_url&quot;:null,&quot;show_links&quot;:null,&quot;feed_url&quot;:null}"></div><p><span>The major themes at OCP APAC 2026 orbited around how power constraints are driving technology innovations, and how those problems can be solved in the networking and power domains. We will cover the networking aspect at this conference to keep tabs on the copper versus optics transition, and closely monitor developments in optical technology.</span></p><p><strong><span>Key takeaways:</span></strong></p><ul><li><p><span>Copper will continue to dominate within the rack at 200G/lane speeds. 400G/lane PAM4 seems challenging in copper; either PAM6 will be needed, or the transition to optics with NRZ/PAM4.</span></p></li><li><p><span>Pluggables and integrated optics (CPO/NPO) will continue to exist as datacenters use increasing optical content. The use cases will closely dictate which approach is best suited.</span></p></li><li><p><span>LPO has its challenges at high lane rates, and the DSP plays a key role in telemetry capture. Link data is important at scale, and underscores the importance of DSPs in the communication link whether it is a separate component or part of the host silicon.</span></p></li><li><p><span>XPO is being looked at for 400G/lane; simulation results shown by Arista, and measurement results are expected soon.</span></p></li><li><p><span>Power delivery at 800V is rolling out and sidecar implementations are simpler to certify. SSTs are the end-game with its own set of challenges; expected past 2030.</span></p></li></ul><div><hr></div><p><em>By reading this post, you agree to the <a href="https://www.viksnewsletter.com/p/terms-and-conditions">terms and conditions</a>. Also see the <a href="https://www.viksnewsletter.com/p/ethics">full ethics statement</a>.</em></p><p><em>If you&#8217;re new, check out the <a href="https://www.viksnewsletter.com/about">About page</a>. A lot of readers expense the subscription to this newsletter as it helps their professional work. 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For my institutional work, check out <a href="https://www.viksnewsletter.com/about#&#167;semiexponent">SemiExponent</a>.</em></p><div><hr></div><p><strong>Table of Contents</strong></p><ul><li><p>Power Constraints as a Technology Driver</p></li><li><p>State of the Copper Interconnect</p><ul><li><p>Copper lives on within the rack</p></li><li><p>The Copper Wall at 400G/lane</p></li></ul></li><li><p>State of the Optical Interconnect</p><ul><li><p>Panel: CPO vs LPO vs Pluggables</p><ul><li><p>Discussion about CPO and lasers</p></li><li><p>Discussion about GlobalFoundries&#8217; Photonics</p></li><li><p>Discussion about Lane Rates/Modulation Speeds</p></li></ul></li><li><p>Challenges in Implementing LPO</p></li></ul></li><li><p>XPO form-factor at 400G/lane</p></li><li><p>Panel: AI Power Delivery - 800V Insights, SSTs</p></li></ul><div><hr></div><h3>Power Constraints as a Technology Driver</h3><p><span>A constant theme across the conference was the need for power and cooling technologies as compute scales in the future. Networking and power delivery discussions were targeted towards improving efficiency and lower component power across the AI stack.</span></p><p><span>Nearly every keynote in the conference started with power as the underlying motivator.</span></p><ul><li><p><strong><span>Microsoft</span></strong><span> (Gohar Waqar/Sushant Gupta, CVP Cloud Hardware): Investing in solid-state transformers (SSTs) and advanced cooling solutions.</span></p></li><li><p><strong><span>Nvidia</span></strong><span> (Gilad Shainer, SVP Networking): Industry is converging towards 800V power delivery, and is improving power cost of networking by pushing co-packaged optics across scale-up and scale-out.</span></p></li><li><p><strong><span>Arm</span></strong><span> (Michael Wong, President Taiwan): Massive demand for GWs, and supply is nowhere near enough. Agent workloads swamp CPU demand, and Arm AGI CPU provides a low TCO solution.</span></p></li><li><p><strong><span>AMD</span></strong><span> (Ravi Kupuswamy, SVP): Power and cooling must be built from the ground up. Open standards are key to composable datacenters that can be optimized across a variety of axes, finely tuning compute, power, and networking to suit the workload.</span></p></li><li><p><strong><span>NTT</span></strong><span> (Masahisa Kawashima, AICC): Power across large datacenter campuses will drive smaller buildouts, and they will need scale-across networking to unify their operation.</span></p></li><li><p><strong><span>Google</span></strong><span> (Greg Moore, Cloud Platforms): Mentioned they are building a low-voltage direct-current (LVDC, another way of saying 800V systems) datacenters, and showed the latest developments from Project Deschutes, their coolant distribution system. Project Brazos is a liquid-cooled sidecar solution that will bring liquid cooling to currently air-cooled datacenters in operation.</span></p></li><li><p><strong><span>ASE</span></strong><span> (CP Hung): Advanced packaging will be important to bring power delivery to the point-of-load. Vertical power delivery solutions integrating conversion at the point of compute contributes to efficiency improvements.</span></p></li></ul><p><span>A few of the keynotes addressed themes outside of power as well; both Applied Materials and TSMC noted that system, not component optimization will drive future design principles. Broadcom reiterated that the network is the computer, and that open ethernet fabrics are the way forward.</span></p><h3><span>State of the Copper Interconnect</span></h3><p><span>The industry is at a fork in the road where copper reach is becoming questionable as lane rates increase. The event had many optics-centric discussions, but there was talk of copper continuing to exist as long as physics will allow. We will discuss where copper is headed.</span></p><h4><span>Copper lives on within the rack</span></h4><p><span>The SemiAnalysis view of copper interconnect is that it will continue to exist in the scale-up domain across Rubin Ultra (RU) NVL576, Feynman NVL1152, Trainium 4, and TPU v9. We should clarify what scale-up means in this context: intra-rack will remain copper, while cross-rack will likely go to integrated optics. Few additional points were mentioned:</span></p><ul><li><p><span>Trainium 4 and RU NVL576 will both use copper within the rack and use NPO to scale-up across racks. RU Oberon racks with 2-die RU will use copper within the rack and NPO. The industry remains divided on the state of 4-die RU and its use within the Kyber rack.</span></p></li><li><p><span>TPU v9 is additive to the copper backplane with copper actually coming in, instead of being replaced by optics.</span></p></li></ul><p><span>SemiAnalysis sees an increase in the amount of scale-up networking content if the HBM is de-speced going from 12-hi HBM4E to 8-hi HBM4 in RU NVL572. The decrease in the memory content per rack drives the utilization of a higher number of racks, which in turn increases the networking content. Some numbers were shown in the de-spec scenario: if memory cost goes from 41% to 28% of BoM, the cost is reallocated to scale-up networking which goes from 4% to 12%. This is visually represented in the rightmost two columns in the chart below.</span></p><p><span>We believe that copper interconnects will remain within the rack for the 200G/lane generation (uni- or bi-di). The reach of copper is 1-2m at this speed, and is sufficient to connect the compute and switch trays. There is no need for optical upgrades if this reach is sufficient for the architecture in use, unless the speed gets higher.</span></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!LKEs!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe5cfa027-da61-4d5d-bd7d-e4f5daef55fc_2048x1306.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!LKEs!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe5cfa027-da61-4d5d-bd7d-e4f5daef55fc_2048x1306.jpeg 424w, 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y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>We covered this in the previous OCP APAC note in some more detail.</p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.viksnewsletter.com/p/2026-ocp-apac-full-conference-report?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Share&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.viksnewsletter.com/p/2026-ocp-apac-full-conference-report?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share"><span>Share</span></a></p><h4><span>The Copper Wall at 400G/lane</span></h4><p><span>As a rough estimate, when lane speeds double, the reach of copper interconnect halves. By this measure, at 400G/lane, intra-rack connections will no longer be possible with copper alone; the copper wall becomes real. However, this will become an issue only in the 3.2T era of networking which is at least two years away from early production deployments. Astera Labs pointed out that the use of DSPs to fix reach issues in scale up will add unacceptable latency and break power budgets. The transition to integrated optics is the only way going forward.</span></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Eqqx!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F300ee135-e1ab-4798-84d7-9cdd703447a4_2048x1536.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Eqqx!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F300ee135-e1ab-4798-84d7-9cdd703447a4_2048x1536.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Eqqx!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F300ee135-e1ab-4798-84d7-9cdd703447a4_2048x1536.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Eqqx!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F300ee135-e1ab-4798-84d7-9cdd703447a4_2048x1536.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Eqqx!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F300ee135-e1ab-4798-84d7-9cdd703447a4_2048x1536.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Eqqx!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F300ee135-e1ab-4798-84d7-9cdd703447a4_2048x1536.jpeg" width="1456" height="1092" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/300ee135-e1ab-4798-84d7-9cdd703447a4_2048x1536.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1092,&quot;width&quot;:1456,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Eqqx!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F300ee135-e1ab-4798-84d7-9cdd703447a4_2048x1536.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Eqqx!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F300ee135-e1ab-4798-84d7-9cdd703447a4_2048x1536.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Eqqx!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F300ee135-e1ab-4798-84d7-9cdd703447a4_2048x1536.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Eqqx!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F300ee135-e1ab-4798-84d7-9cdd703447a4_2048x1536.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div>
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   ]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[How Coherent Can Earn Investor Confidence]]></title><description><![CDATA[Bridging The Gap Between Market Skepticism And Industry Reality, And What To Watch For Next.]]></description><link>https://www.viksnewsletter.com/p/how-coherent-can-earn-investor-confidence</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.viksnewsletter.com/p/how-coherent-can-earn-investor-confidence</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Vikram Sekar]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2026 05:23:39 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/dbc8622d-8161-4154-b4cc-44b9b8e1bd28_1456x1048.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span>Coherent&#8217;s Q4FY26 earnings call is likely the first time &#8220;Substack&#8221; has been explicitly mentioned on a significant financial reporting event.</span></p><blockquote><p><strong><span>Michael Genovese, Senior Research Analyst, Rosenblatt Securities</span></strong></p><p><em><span>It is really good to see the expectation for CPO laser revenues in the fiscal second quarter, because that would imply that you are either qualified or have line of sight to qualification and would kind of go against some of the fuzz, </span><strong><span>I think that is not coming from Wall Street, but more coming from Substack saying you guys are having trouble with that laser</span></strong><span>. Just any more color on the confidence that you will be ready for the customer to actually recognize revenue in that quarter and just progress that has been made recently.</span></em></p></blockquote><p><span>Most people believe that the &#8220;Substack&#8221; being referred to here is </span><span class="mention-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Irrational Analysis&quot;,&quot;id&quot;:135313705,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;user&quot;,&quot;url&quot;:null,&quot;photo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/df53cea9-b34a-4e36-8d63-9ea1e9cf07ce_276x276.png&quot;,&quot;uuid&quot;:&quot;857820fc-4c9e-4745-a420-3471f52e7c00&quot;}" data-component-name="MentionToDOM"></span> <span>who has been quite vocal about the Coherent&#8217;s lack of leadership in UHP lasers for CPO. You can see his recent earnings commentary here with a strong challenge to Coherent to present their laser data to prove to Wall Street that they are a viable InP laser alternative to Lumentum.</span></p><div class="embedded-post-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;id&quot;:211132466,&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://irrationalanalysis.substack.com/p/coherent-q4-fy26-earnings&quot;,&quot;publication_id&quot;:1509468,&quot;embedding_publication_id&quot;:2065897,&quot;publication_name&quot;:&quot;Irrational Analysis&quot;,&quot;publication_logo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!hHWs!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fba1efe89-1235-4b7c-8017-ab2c1ecf5526_521x521.png&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;Coherent Q4 FY26 Earnings&quot;,&quot;truncated_body_text&quot;:&quot;Irrational Analysis is heavily invested in the semiconductor industry.&quot;,&quot;date&quot;:&quot;2026-08-14T05:39:43.313Z&quot;,&quot;like_count&quot;:113,&quot;comment_count&quot;:5,&quot;bylines&quot;:[{&quot;id&quot;:135313705,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Irrational Analysis&quot;,&quot;handle&quot;:&quot;irrationalanalysis&quot;,&quot;previous_name&quot;:&quot;Daud's Scout&quot;,&quot;photo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/df53cea9-b34a-4e36-8d63-9ea1e9cf07ce_276x276.png&quot;,&quot;bio&quot;:&quot;Engineering-Driven Investment Analysis&quot;,&quot;profile_set_up_at&quot;:&quot;2023-03-20T20:42:02.151Z&quot;,&quot;reader_installed_at&quot;:null,&quot;publicationUsers&quot;:[{&quot;id&quot;:1476885,&quot;user_id&quot;:135313705,&quot;publication_id&quot;:1509468,&quot;role&quot;:&quot;admin&quot;,&quot;public&quot;:true,&quot;is_primary&quot;:true,&quot;publication&quot;:{&quot;id&quot;:1509468,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Irrational Analysis&quot;,&quot;subdomain&quot;:&quot;irrationalanalysis&quot;,&quot;custom_domain&quot;:null,&quot;custom_domain_optional&quot;:false,&quot;hero_text&quot;:&quot;Engineering-Driven Investment Analysis\n**Opinions are authors own, do not reflect past/present/future employers, are based on publicly available information, and are #NotFinancialAdvice.**&quot;,&quot;logo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/ba1efe89-1235-4b7c-8017-ab2c1ecf5526_521x521.png&quot;,&quot;author_id&quot;:135313705,&quot;primary_user_id&quot;:135313705,&quot;theme_var_background_pop&quot;:&quot;#121BFA&quot;,&quot;created_at&quot;:&quot;2023-03-20T20:42:50.529Z&quot;,&quot;email_from_name&quot;:&quot;Irrational Analysis&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;founding_plan_name&quot;:null,&quot;community_enabled&quot;:true,&quot;invite_only&quot;:false,&quot;payments_state&quot;:&quot;disabled&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:null,&quot;explicit&quot;:false,&quot;homepage_type&quot;:&quot;magaziney&quot;,&quot;is_personal_mode&quot;:false,&quot;logo_url_wide&quot;:null}}],&quot;is_guest&quot;:false,&quot;bestseller_tier&quot;:null,&quot;status&quot;:{&quot;bestsellerTier&quot;:null,&quot;subscriberTier&quot;:null,&quot;leaderboard&quot;:null,&quot;vip&quot;:false,&quot;badge&quot;:null,&quot;subscriber&quot;:null}}],&quot;utm_campaign&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:false,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;newsletter&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;,&quot;source&quot;:null}" data-component-name="EmbeddedPostToDOM"><a class="embedded-post" native="true" href="https://irrationalanalysis.substack.com/p/coherent-q4-fy26-earnings?utm_source=substack&amp;utm_campaign=post_embed&amp;utm_medium=web&amp;embedding_publication_id=2065897"><div class="embedded-post-header"><img class="embedded-post-publication-logo" src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!hHWs!,w_56,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fba1efe89-1235-4b7c-8017-ab2c1ecf5526_521x521.png"><span class="embedded-post-publication-name">Irrational Analysis</span></div><div class="embedded-post-title-wrapper"><div class="embedded-post-title">Coherent Q4 FY26 Earnings</div></div><div class="embedded-post-body">Irrational Analysis is heavily invested in the semiconductor industry&#8230;</div><div class="embedded-post-cta-wrapper"><span class="embedded-post-cta">Read more</span></div><div class="embedded-post-meta">a month ago &#183; 113 likes &#183; 5 comments &#183; Irrational Analysis</div></a></div><div><hr></div><p><em>By reading this post, you agree to the <a href="https://www.viksnewsletter.com/p/terms-and-conditions">terms and conditions</a>. Also see the <a href="https://www.viksnewsletter.com/p/ethics">full ethics statement</a>.</em></p><p><em>If you&#8217;re new, check out the <a href="https://www.viksnewsletter.com/about">About page</a>. A lot of readers expense the subscription to this newsletter as it helps their professional work. Group subscriptions (3+) are 20% off. If you have any questions, reply to this email and let me know!</em></p><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.viksnewsletter.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption"><em>For the full post, upgrade to a paid subscription</em></p></div><form class="subscription-widget-subscribe"><input type="email" class="email-input" name="email" placeholder="Type your email&#8230;" tabindex="-1"><input type="submit" class="button primary" value="Subscribe"><div class="fake-input-wrapper"><div class="fake-input"></div><div class="fake-button"></div></div></form></div></div><p><em>Also check out the <a href="https://www.viksnewsletter.com/about#&#167;semi-doped-podcast">Semi Doped podcast</a> with  and myself, and <a href="https://daily.semidoped.com/">our daily free newsletter</a> with latest semi news.</em></p><p><em>If you would like to engage independent research services for your project or need expert calls, check out my boutique consulting practice at <a href="https://www.viksnewsletter.com/about#&#167;semiexponent">SemiExponent</a>.</em></p><div><hr></div><p><span>This signals that Wall Street is becoming increasingly entrenched in industry commentary on Substack (this publication included). Earnings calls are no longer just financial numbers and promises. They are becoming events where company leadership needs to start bringing receipts to their claims, or risk getting called out on it by analysts who are increasingly technically savvy. These kinds of questions on earnings calls are only going to increase.</span></p><p><span>I have argued in the past that the know-how of building UHP lasers has existed for a long time, in the deep-dive articles below. These articles walk through step by step on how to design a UHP laser, and the information broadly exists for decades in the public domain.</span></p><div class="digest-post-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;nodeId&quot;:&quot;a4f19ced-f5d2-4698-9f5e-f382f1fc5104&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;There is a lot of FUD in the market about ultra high power (UHP) lasers for CPO and who the leading provider is in this segment. Everybody I&#8217;ve asked about UHP lasers unequivocally says Lumentum is in the lead, but few are able to discuss the engineering challenges in making UHP lasers, where the Lumentum advantage lies (if it even exists), and what the real alligator-filled moat is that keeps competitors out.&quot;,&quot;cta&quot;:null,&quot;showBylines&quot;:true,&quot;showDescription&quot;:true,&quot;showImage&quot;:true,&quot;size&quot;:&quot;lg&quot;,&quot;isEditorNode&quot;:true,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;Lasers for CPO/NPO: Part 1 &#8211; The InP DFB Laser&quot;,&quot;publishedBylines&quot;:[{&quot;id&quot;:124411709,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Vikram Sekar&quot;,&quot;bio&quot;:&quot;Physics-first semi research&quot;,&quot;photo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/afc78b68-c3cf-4c29-94f3-1422781e3e92_185x185.png&quot;,&quot;is_guest&quot;:false,&quot;bestseller_tier&quot;:1000}],&quot;post_date&quot;:&quot;2026-07-15T17:33:18.972Z&quot;,&quot;cover_image&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!m7KS!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa4fb909d-81b1-47be-b7b3-8be6119647a8_1024x559.png&quot;,&quot;cover_image_alt&quot;:null,&quot;canonical_url&quot;:&quot;https://www.viksnewsletter.com/p/lasers-for-cponpo-part-1-the-inp&quot;,&quot;section_name&quot;:null,&quot;video_upload_id&quot;:null,&quot;id&quot;:207183819,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;newsletter&quot;,&quot;reaction_count&quot;:53,&quot;comment_count&quot;:0,&quot;publication_id&quot;:2065897,&quot;publication_name&quot;:&quot;Vik's Newsletter&quot;,&quot;publication_logo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9JlA!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa409d69d-ca10-4bfe-a1fc-f8d291690566_185x185.png&quot;,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;youtube_url&quot;:null,&quot;show_links&quot;:null,&quot;feed_url&quot;:null}"></div><div class="digest-post-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;nodeId&quot;:&quot;af6bce84-7f61-4bf5-8b9f-d13e0b1baac1&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;In this series on UHP lasers for CPO/NPO, our purpose is to carefully dissect the technology to understand how it works, where the engineering difficulty lies, what architectural options exist, and deeply understand where the technology differentiation and moat actually lies for key industry players. If you want to understand why these external lasers are needed, see this earlier post.&quot;,&quot;cta&quot;:null,&quot;showBylines&quot;:true,&quot;showDescription&quot;:true,&quot;showImage&quot;:true,&quot;size&quot;:&quot;lg&quot;,&quot;isEditorNode&quot;:true,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;Lasers for CPO/NPO: Part 2 &#8211; Lumentum&#8217;s Technology and Moat&quot;,&quot;publishedBylines&quot;:[{&quot;id&quot;:124411709,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Vikram Sekar&quot;,&quot;bio&quot;:&quot;Physics-first semi research&quot;,&quot;photo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/afc78b68-c3cf-4c29-94f3-1422781e3e92_185x185.png&quot;,&quot;is_guest&quot;:false,&quot;bestseller_tier&quot;:1000}],&quot;post_date&quot;:&quot;2026-07-22T13:14:45.848Z&quot;,&quot;cover_image&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/0fec2c78-aedb-41a1-826f-a0157c7c8119_1920x1080.png&quot;,&quot;cover_image_alt&quot;:null,&quot;canonical_url&quot;:&quot;https://www.viksnewsletter.com/p/lasers-for-cponpo-part-2-lumentums-tech-and-moat&quot;,&quot;section_name&quot;:null,&quot;video_upload_id&quot;:null,&quot;id&quot;:208019065,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;newsletter&quot;,&quot;reaction_count&quot;:32,&quot;comment_count&quot;:0,&quot;publication_id&quot;:2065897,&quot;publication_name&quot;:&quot;Vik's Newsletter&quot;,&quot;publication_logo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9JlA!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa409d69d-ca10-4bfe-a1fc-f8d291690566_185x185.png&quot;,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;youtube_url&quot;:null,&quot;show_links&quot;:null,&quot;feed_url&quot;:null}"></div><p><span>Sure, there are refinements to the laser design that adds up over time to create performance advantages, but fundamentally, the challenge lies in making these devices at scale. There are too many things that can go wrong when hundreds of milliwatts are output from a laser. Knowing how to do this at scale is the real competitive moat.</span></p><p><span>From a pure performance perspective, does Coherent have a &#8220;good enough&#8221; CPO laser that will work? Their UHP laser specs match Lumentum&#8217;s at least on their website. Even if they don&#8217;t have the absolute best laser, can they build one that works reliably, at high volumes, while being on time?</span></p><p><span>I do believe Coherent can take some steps to build investor confidence going forward. If they would like to stop people from making guesses, then some technical data needs to be published sooner rather than later.</span></p><h3><span>Showing Linewidth Data to Investors</span></h3><p><span>To the first order, a lot of doubt can be alleviated if Coherent simply showed linewidth data. If a sub-500 kHz linewidth laser is what is being advertised, then that data should be easy to show. But that data point has been noticeably absent. Publishing linewidth, relative intensity noise, and mode-stability over a range of temperatures and electrical conditions should silence critics quite easily. There is no need to even publish the latest iteration of the laser, but show a &#8220;good enough&#8221; laser from a few years ago that is in the ballpark. This protects any strategic advantages going forward.</span></p><p><span>The danger of this strategy which likely worries Coherent Investor Relations is that anything short of what Lumentum has published would put them squarely at a number two position (possibly lower), and that messaging is not acceptable. In a way, this gives credence to what the critics have been saying all along and could become a dangerous narrative that is highly likely to be misconstrued on Wall Street, or even by technically savvy analysts.</span></p><p><span>What is even stronger is to actually have ELSFP modules at a conference like Lumentum did in ECOC 2025. See this </span><a href="https://www.lumentum.com/en/videos/elsfp-transceivers-cpo-architectures"><span>short video</span></a><span>, and notice how it includes a power meter showing nearly 24.5 dBm of power output, </span><strong><span>along with a spectrum analyzer showing the laser linewidth</span></strong><span>.</span></p><p><span>Coherent had a </span><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABLf2OYgA5E"><span>demo at ECOC 2025</span></a><span> too, but they only had a power meter and </span><strong><span>no spectrum measurements</span></strong><span>. The power reading was &gt;24 dB alright, but that is a scalar measurement. A spectrum measurement of the laser output usually reveals a lot more &#8211; like linewidth and side-mode suppression ratio (SMSR).</span></p><p><span>This approach is even better than a published paper because critics can see the hardware working in real time and know that it is not a one-off result in a company&#8217;s lab environment. Several conference attendees will press the exhibitor on the show floor with questions, and then write on Substack and social media about it. Independent reports analyzing what they say serves as &#8220;proof-that-it-works&#8221; and builds investor confidence.</span></p><p><span>The only live demo of CPO with ELSFP was shown at OFC 2026. These numbers from the demo characterize the whole transmit chain: laser, coupling, split ratio, modulator, and driver, The laser-specific merits are either confounded or invisible. To judge the laser itself you need fiber-coupled power per port, wall-plug efficiency, RIN in dB/Hz, SMSR, temperature range, and reliability data.</span></p><div id="youtube2-Tu1ve1P8Ajo" class="youtube-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;videoId&quot;:&quot;Tu1ve1P8Ajo&quot;,&quot;startTime&quot;:null,&quot;endTime&quot;:null}" data-component-name="Youtube2ToDOM"><div class="youtube-inner"><iframe src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/Tu1ve1P8Ajo?rel=0&amp;autoplay=0&amp;showinfo=0&amp;enablejsapi=0" frameborder="0" loading="lazy" gesture="media" allow="autoplay; fullscreen" allowautoplay="true" allowfullscreen="true" width="728" height="409"></iframe></div></div><p><span>The industry will be closely watching ECOC 2026 and OCP Global Summit for any information on this front.</span></p><h3><span>The Counterargument</span></h3><p><span>While laser measurements would be helpful, should Coherent really cave to the pressures of Wall Street or the blooming cottage industry of Substack industry analysts? From my own years of experience working within the semiconductor industry, it is common for companies to choose to not publish, or send representatives to conferences for fear of information leaks. Does lack of information necessarily mean that a product line is uncompetitive?</span></p><p><span>Broadcom has their Remote Laser Modules (RLMs) that they use for their CPO line of products. From what I can tell, I don&#8217;t see any published measurements of laser specs from them either. If you know how RLMs from Broadcom compare to Lumentum&#8217;s UHP lasers, please do let me know. But oddly enough, nobody questions Broadcom regarding their UHP laser capabilities.</span></p><p><span>This leads us to ask: is Coherent being held to an unfair standard? Should they publish data just because their competitor did? </span><a href="https://www.reuters.com/technology/nvidia-invest-2-billion-photonic-product-maker-lumentum-2026-03-02/"><span>Nvidia invested $2B each into Lumentum and Coherent</span></a><span> for their laser supply. I would assume basic due diligence by the highly competent optical networking experts at Nvidia (particularly the group from their Mellanox acquisition) would have revealed if there were fundamental flaws with their laser technology.</span></p><p><span>Ultimately what matters is whether they have a laser that works for CPO. In a highly supply constrained laser market, having a highly reliable product, with high yield, and competitive specs would make them as important a player as any in the high power laser market.</span></p><h3><span>What to Watch For</span></h3><p><span>In the absence of laser measurements, there are some industry signals that investors should watch for in the next 12-15 months, to understand where Coherent is headed.</span></p>
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   ]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[OCP APAC: Copper vs. Optics Contradictions]]></title><description><![CDATA[Everybody is scrambling for ways to hook up stuff.]]></description><link>https://www.viksnewsletter.com/p/ocp-apac-copper-vs-optics-contradictions</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.viksnewsletter.com/p/ocp-apac-copper-vs-optics-contradictions</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Vikram Sekar]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2026 02:39:10 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/fe8cb941-c276-48ce-8231-de9667a44e81_1456x1048.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span>There was a lot of networking content at OCP APAC and for good reason. Gilad Shainer, SVP of Networking in Nvidia explained that it&#8217;s much more than just hooking stuff up: networking is compute, and is the only way scaling laws can continue into the future. Hock Tan of Broadcom has also said &#8220;network is the computer&#8221; before.</span></p><p><span>Given its importance, the exact underlying technologies are still open to debate, sometimes even contradictory. The networking theme ranged from &#8220;Copper is not going anywhere&#8221; to &#8220;Optics everywhere,&#8221; and everything in between. We&#8217;ll go through some talks from OCP APAC Day 1 that dance around this theme.</span></p><div><hr></div><p><em>By reading this post, you agree to the <a href="https://www.viksnewsletter.com/p/terms-and-conditions">terms and conditions</a>. Also see the <a href="https://www.viksnewsletter.com/p/ethics">full ethics statement</a>.</em></p><p><em>If you&#8217;re new, check out the <a href="https://www.viksnewsletter.com/about">About page</a>. A lot of readers expense the subscription to this newsletter as it helps their professional work. Group subscriptions (3+) are 20% off. If you have any questions, reply to this email and let me know!</em></p><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.viksnewsletter.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption"><em>For the full post, upgrade to a paid subscription</em></p></div><form class="subscription-widget-subscribe"><input type="email" class="email-input" name="email" placeholder="Type your email&#8230;" tabindex="-1"><input type="submit" class="button primary" value="Subscribe"><div class="fake-input-wrapper"><div class="fake-input"></div><div class="fake-button"></div></div></form></div></div><p><em>Also check out the <a href="https://www.viksnewsletter.com/about#&#167;semi-doped-podcast">Semi Doped podcast</a> with  and myself, and <a href="https://daily.semidoped.com/">our daily free newsletter</a> with latest semi news. If you would like to engage research services, reach me at <a href="https://www.viksnewsletter.com/about#&#167;semiexponent">SemiExponent</a>.</em></p><div><hr></div><p><strong>Themes we cover in this report:</strong></p><ul><li><p><strong>Copper will not only survive, but thrive</strong>. SemiAnalysis about copper-optics coexisting for the foreseeable future.</p></li><li><p><strong>Copper is dead</strong>. <strong>Lets go to optics.</strong> Astera Labs talk that declares copper dead, and goes to NPO/CPO.</p></li><li><p><strong>Optics, but make it quick</strong>: Fast OCS switching for scale up by a company called Linque.</p></li><li><p><strong>Not copper, not optics. There may be a third door. </strong>Point2 e-tube technology had a talk and show floor demo. 4K video of hardware included.</p></li></ul>
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   ]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[[Post-$] Astera Labs is a Switch Company in Connectivity Clothing]]></title><description><![CDATA[ALAB is a copper play with high growth switches, CXL opportunities and optics dreams.]]></description><link>https://www.viksnewsletter.com/p/post-astera-labs-is-a-switch-company</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.viksnewsletter.com/p/post-astera-labs-is-a-switch-company</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Vikram Sekar]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2026 11:30:46 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/59aa1bd4-b946-46ad-9940-bd450ff4e3b2_1456x1048.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span>Astera Labs built its fortunes by retiming signals for intra-tray connectivity, but their pivot to becoming a switch company is turning the tide for them.</span></p><p><span>Here are some key earnings takeaways:</span></p><ul><li><p><span>Revenue of $392.4 million, up 27% sequentially and 104% year over year, against a Q2 guide of $355-365 million given in May.</span></p></li><li><p><span>PCIe 6 products, meaning Scorpio switches plus Gen 6 Aries retimers, crossed 50% of revenue for the first time, up from roughly a third in Q1.</span></p></li><li><p><span>Q3 guidance of $540-560 million, non-GAAP gross margin of about 72%, and non-GAAP EPS of $1.16-1.21.</span></p></li></ul><p><span>Their Scorpio line of switches is expected to become the largest product family in Q3, one quarter ahead of what management guided in May. Part of their uniqueness comes from their COSMOS software platform which does more than just telemetry and health monitoring.</span></p><p><span>Astera Labs should be viewed as a switch company &#8211; along the lines of Broadcom &#8211; going forward, as their 320-lane Scorpio X switch gains larger adoption, notably even with neoclouds and inference GPU providers.</span></p><p><span>CXL is an interesting segment that shows some promise, but is really a 2027 story. Optics is a 2027 story regarding NPO, while CPO lies even beyond that. The Q2 earnings call provided quite a bit of color regarding where things are headed.</span></p><p><span>For a deeper-dive on Astera Labs, see the post below.</span></p><div class="digest-post-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;nodeId&quot;:&quot;379584d4-66cf-4f35-a7f8-d6ac70fc5916&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;Astera Labs&#8217; expansion out of the tray, where they built the company using their Aries PCIe retimers for XPU-CPU-NIC connectivity, and into the rack via their Scorpio switches is their biggest near term growth move. 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You can find the whole catalog of articles for purchase <a href="https://vikramsekar.podia.com/products">at this link</a>.</em></p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://vikramsekar.podia.com/post-astera-labs-is-a-switch-company-in-connectivity-clothing&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Buy the article&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://vikramsekar.podia.com/post-astera-labs-is-a-switch-company-in-connectivity-clothing"><span>Buy the article</span></a></p><div><hr></div><h3><span>Scorpio X Acceleration</span></h3><p><span>Around the time of IPO, the dollar content of Astera products per XPU was $50-$100. In the Q2 earnings call, COO Sanjay Gajendra said that he sees their business contributing multiple $1,000s per XPU with the 320-lane Scorpio-X scale-up switch itself contributing $1,000 per XPU.</span></p><p><span>In SemiAnalysis&#8217; Trainium 3 deep dive, they estimate that the 320-lane Scorpio X has an attach rate of 0.25-0.28 per XPU depending on the switched rack Trn3 SKU. We&#8217;ll reproduce that table below for convenience.</span></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!CLKb!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4da4115e-537b-4df7-9deb-3ca7a8b8c190_1456x767.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!CLKb!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4da4115e-537b-4df7-9deb-3ca7a8b8c190_1456x767.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!CLKb!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4da4115e-537b-4df7-9deb-3ca7a8b8c190_1456x767.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!CLKb!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4da4115e-537b-4df7-9deb-3ca7a8b8c190_1456x767.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!CLKb!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4da4115e-537b-4df7-9deb-3ca7a8b8c190_1456x767.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!CLKb!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4da4115e-537b-4df7-9deb-3ca7a8b8c190_1456x767.png" width="1456" height="767" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/4da4115e-537b-4df7-9deb-3ca7a8b8c190_1456x767.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:767,&quot;width&quot;:1456,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!CLKb!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4da4115e-537b-4df7-9deb-3ca7a8b8c190_1456x767.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!CLKb!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4da4115e-537b-4df7-9deb-3ca7a8b8c190_1456x767.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!CLKb!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4da4115e-537b-4df7-9deb-3ca7a8b8c190_1456x767.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!CLKb!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4da4115e-537b-4df7-9deb-3ca7a8b8c190_1456x767.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Source: SemiAnalysis</figcaption></figure></div><p><span>At $1,000 of Scorpio X content per XPU, a 32-XPU Gen2 Trn3 rack carries $32,000 worth of 320-lane Scorpio X content, delivered as 8 scale-up switches. The 72-XPU variant Gen2 Trn3 rack carries $72,000 across 20 switches. </span><strong><span>All this points to an ASP of $3,600-$4,000 per Scorpio X switch.</span></strong></p><p><span>This is consistent with Tomahawk 6 pricing. Broadcom priced Tomahawk 6 below $20,000 at launch, before volume discounts, for a total switch bandwidth of 102.4 Tbps. </span><strong><span>That works out to roughly $200/Tbps</span></strong><span>. Scorpio X has 5x lower switch bandwidth at 20.48 Tbps, and at $200/Tbps, that prices it right at $4,000.</span></p><p><span>Additionally, for the Gen2 variant, we are not counting the lower lane count Scorpio-P switches (144 32-lane, 72 64-lane, or 36 128-lane) that are on the PCB per rack. That would add even more incremental revenue for Astera Labs, and Aries retimers would be on top of that. You can see how much PCIe Gen 6 content exists in a rack, and how that can contribute to 50% of total revenue as stated in the earnings call.</span></p><p><span>Another bit of color in the Scorpio acceleration story stems from the fact that companies that are building add-in card GPUs like SambaNova or d-Matrix (for example) would also be interested in Scorpio X switches, and not just AWS. This becomes even more important if companies like these can buy NVLink Fusion interfaces in the future, so that they can work better with Nvidia hardware. This NVLink aspect will become important in Trainium 4. Similarly, neoclouds are a potential buyer of Scorpio scale-up switches too.</span></p><p><span>Gajendra said that there are 10 customers getting into pre-production and qualification cycles. It remains to be seen how many will materialize into revenue in future quarters.</span></p><h3><span>COSMOS</span></h3><p><span>A part of the switch story that we did not cover fully in the deep dive was their COSMOS software platform. Deep telemetry was an important part of Astera&#8217;s growth strategy in the early retimer days. Today, COSMOS is much more. Its Hypercast and in-network compute features are advanced hardware-accelerated networking technologies that offload data processing and multi-destination packet distribution directly onto smart fabric switches to speed up large language model (LLM) training and inference. This essentially speeds up collective operations during training and enables greater utilization of GPUs.</span></p><p><span>Thus, the Scorpio X switch story does not stand alone. It is closely coupled with the software to extract the maximum performance of switches and GPUs within a rack.</span></p><h3><span>CXL</span></h3><p><span>Compute eXpress Link (CXL) solutions are becoming increasingly popular in the industry now as memory shortages stay acute, and hardware makers scramble to provide alternatives for a variety of use cases. Gajendra points out a few in the earnings call:</span></p><ol><li><p><span>High cost of DRAM is driving people to stick different kinds of memory behind a CXL bus</span></p></li><li><p><span>When CXL is attached to an XPU, KV cache acceleration drives lower inference latency</span></p></li><li><p><span>In general compute applications that are memory intensive, CXL provides a way of adding more memory to the CPU</span></p></li></ol><p><span>CXL is a story that is just beginning for Astera Labs via their Leo series of products. In Q2, they closed a design win with a US hyperscaler. In 2027, they expect to ship CXL memory controllers to two US hyperscalers. But most of the volume and associated revenue is really a 2027 story.</span></p><p>After the paywall are some thoughts about where Astera Labs goes from here, what can fail, and what to watch for.</p>
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   ]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Astera Labs: From the Tray to the Rack, and What Comes After]]></title><description><![CDATA[PCIe Switches, AWS Trainium, NVLink Fusion, and the UALink Future]]></description><link>https://www.viksnewsletter.com/p/astera-labs-from-the-tray-to-the-rack</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.viksnewsletter.com/p/astera-labs-from-the-tray-to-the-rack</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Vikram Sekar]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2026 16:28:50 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/3e27ed6e-699d-42ee-be51-163d2b23a46e_1500x900.webp" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span>Astera Labs&#8217; expansion out of the tray, where they built the company using their Aries PCIe retimers for XPU-CPU-NIC connectivity, and into the rack via their Scorpio switches is their biggest near term growth move. From the 1Q2026 earnings call:</span></p><blockquote><p><span>&#8220;Given the size of the opportunity and the associated dollar content, we would expect to see that Scorpio will become our largest product line by the end of the year, which is strong performance for the product line that was only a small percent of total company revenue last year.&#8221;</span></p></blockquote><p><span>In addition, Astera Labs explicitly pointed out in their last earnings calls that they expect their dollar content per accelerator to go up.</span></p><blockquote><p><span>&#8220;We do see our content continue to increase, and to that end we are expecting, and going forward with the design wins we have, over $1,000 worth of content per accelerator, and that is significant and growing rapidly for us.&#8221;</span></p></blockquote><p><span>The consensus on Astera Labs is that Scorpio is the growth story and that part largely holds as Trainium 3 volumes ramp. What the consensus misses is that Scorpio X&#8217;s scale-up revenue has a narrow customer list, and a known end date when AWS moves Trainium 4 to NVLink Fusion. Astera Labs&#8217; future hinges on their pivot to UALink in the next generation, and the potential to serve as NVLink Fusion connectivity partner to a broad cross-section of the AI accelerator industry.</span></p><p><span>In this post, we will focus on why Scorpio switches are the near term growth path, how AWS warrants plays in, and where NVLink Fusion and UALink land in Astera Labs&#8217; future.</span></p><p><span>If you want to understand the history of Astera Labs from their early foray into retimers, check out our </span><a href="https://youtu.be/u3Le3CBnFM4?si=JK4P_KTTgkMhCreW"><span>deep dive podcast on Semi-Doped</span></a><span> on this. ALAB announces its 2Q2026 earnings call on August 4th 2026. We will publish an earnings review post as well.</span></p><p><span>Contents:</span></p><ul><li><p><span>Why it makes sense to go from PCIe retimers to switches</span></p></li><li><p><span>What the choice of PCIe means as a protocol for scale-up</span></p></li><li><p><span>Comparison of PCIe switches from Astera Labs, Broadcom, and Marvell</span></p></li><li><p><span>How AWS warrants play into their relationship with Astera Labs</span></p></li><li><p><span>What the move to NVLink Fusion in Trainium 4 means for Astera Labs</span></p></li><li><p><span>Why UALink and its adoption defines the future of Astera Labs</span></p></li></ul><div><hr></div><p><em>By reading this post, you agree to the <a href="https://www.viksnewsletter.com/p/terms-and-conditions">terms and conditions</a>. Also see the <a href="https://www.viksnewsletter.com/p/ethics">full ethics statement</a>.</em></p><p><em>If you&#8217;re new, check out the <a href="https://www.viksnewsletter.com/about">About page</a>. A lot of readers expense the subscription to this newsletter as it helps their professional work. Group subscriptions (3+) are 20% off. 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Their Scorpio line of switches is built on PCIe, which is a natural extension of their IP from the Aries line of retimer products that are broadly used to fix signal integrity of PCIe links that connect the XPU to CPU, NIC or SSDs.</span></p><p><span>The Scorpio product line has two SKUs, for different use cases in the rack:</span></p><ul><li><p><strong><span>Scorpio P-Series</span></strong><span>: PCIe 6 switching for </span><em><span>scale-out networking</span></em><span> &#8212; fanning GPUs, NICs, and storage out of head nodes. It has been shipping since Q2 2025 with design wins at three hyperscalers and two more starting late 2026. Has product variants from 32 to 320 lanes.</span></p></li><li><p><strong><span>Scorpio X-Series</span></strong><span>: the </span><em><span>scale-up fabric</span></em><span> &#8212; the merchant silicon switch, running memory-semantic traffic over PCIe.</span></p></li></ul><p><span>Astera Labs states that Scorpio is a bestseller for them, with 10%+ revenue within two quarters of launch, and is expected to become the largest product line by the end of 2026.</span></p><h3><span>The Choice of PCIe</span></h3><p><span>Regardless of their impending success with PCIe switches, it is interesting to ask why PCIe as a protocol of choice for scale up? PCIe has been the mainstay of connections of computer motherboards for decades, and what made Astera Labs a company with $1B ARR today is their prescient bet on PCIe in the AI era. Their massive design wins in the Hopper and Blackwell HGX boards within a server tray, was because of their first-to-market with a PCIe Gen5 retimer, which has become an incredibly sticky slot connecting XPU-CPU/NIC and is a big contributor to their success. The logical next move for Astera Labs is to move this IP up the stack into rack-scale.</span></p><p><span>PCIe itself is attractive as a protocol for one main reason: every device &#8211; XPU, CPU, NIC, SSD &#8211; already has a PCIe controller built in and natively speaks the same language. Because the protocol is designed to know the route directly to various devices, it routes by memory address and encodes destination in its upper bits. ESUN-T and UALink had to define specific transport layers to get the same thing. In addition, PCIe lanes run at a slower bit rate compared to Ethernet, which is </span><strong><span>useful for keeping scale-up in copper longer</span></strong><span>.</span></p><p><span>PCIe Gen5, for example, operates at 32 GT/s (giga-transfers-per-second), where the transfer refers to the movement of a bit. This relates to the modulation scheme as well: an NRZ modulated signal moves one bit per signal, while PAM4 moves two bits per symbol. The symbol modulation speed is measured in Baud: at 32 GT/s, it is 32 GBaud on NRZ, and 16 GBaud on PAM4. On a per-lane basis, the speeds of PCIe are slower than NVLink, ESUN (ethernet based) or UALink, which is oddly an advantage when it comes to interconnects for scale-up with copper (better reach). But, </span><strong><span>what PCIe lacks in per-lane speed, it must make up for in lane count</span></strong><span>.</span></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!qRf6!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F845c2edf-7ed1-4a3a-93d9-8fa0e21ba425_916x612.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!qRf6!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F845c2edf-7ed1-4a3a-93d9-8fa0e21ba425_916x612.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!qRf6!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F845c2edf-7ed1-4a3a-93d9-8fa0e21ba425_916x612.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!qRf6!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F845c2edf-7ed1-4a3a-93d9-8fa0e21ba425_916x612.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!qRf6!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F845c2edf-7ed1-4a3a-93d9-8fa0e21ba425_916x612.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!qRf6!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F845c2edf-7ed1-4a3a-93d9-8fa0e21ba425_916x612.png" width="916" height="612" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/845c2edf-7ed1-4a3a-93d9-8fa0e21ba425_916x612.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:612,&quot;width&quot;:916,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!qRf6!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F845c2edf-7ed1-4a3a-93d9-8fa0e21ba425_916x612.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!qRf6!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F845c2edf-7ed1-4a3a-93d9-8fa0e21ba425_916x612.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!qRf6!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F845c2edf-7ed1-4a3a-93d9-8fa0e21ba425_916x612.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!qRf6!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F845c2edf-7ed1-4a3a-93d9-8fa0e21ba425_916x612.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">PCIe terminology. Source: <a href="http://logic-fruit.com">logic-fruit.com</a></figcaption></figure></div><p><span>The ultimate speed in Gbps of a PCIe link thus depends on: (1) speed in transfers/sec, (2) modulation format, and (3) number of lanes per link. Let&#8217;s work on a simple example to show this:</span></p><p><span>PCIe at 64 GT/s using PAM4 at 32 GBaud, and running four lanes in aggregate (x4) gives 64 GT/s x 4 / 8 bits = 32 GB/s unidirectional, or 64 GB/s of bidirectional bandwidth. The following table shows this calculation for several PCIe generations.</span></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!aZqz!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fee41ac01-a710-46a1-b375-fadae8b3f33e_696x463.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!aZqz!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fee41ac01-a710-46a1-b375-fadae8b3f33e_696x463.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!aZqz!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fee41ac01-a710-46a1-b375-fadae8b3f33e_696x463.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!aZqz!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fee41ac01-a710-46a1-b375-fadae8b3f33e_696x463.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!aZqz!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fee41ac01-a710-46a1-b375-fadae8b3f33e_696x463.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!aZqz!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fee41ac01-a710-46a1-b375-fadae8b3f33e_696x463.png" width="696" height="463" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/ee41ac01-a710-46a1-b375-fadae8b3f33e_696x463.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:463,&quot;width&quot;:696,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!aZqz!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fee41ac01-a710-46a1-b375-fadae8b3f33e_696x463.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!aZqz!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fee41ac01-a710-46a1-b375-fadae8b3f33e_696x463.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!aZqz!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fee41ac01-a710-46a1-b375-fadae8b3f33e_696x463.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!aZqz!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fee41ac01-a710-46a1-b375-fadae8b3f33e_696x463.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Source: ServeTheHome</figcaption></figure></div><h3><span>ALAB Scorpio X, AVGO PEX, Marvell Structura S</span></h3><p><span>It is instructive to compare the Scorpio switch against the big dog in the merchant silicon switch market &#8211; Broadcom. Broadcom also offers PCIe 6 switches in its PEX line of switches, alongside its flagship Tomahawk 6 (TH6). We&#8217;ll gloss over Marvell too.</span></p>
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   ]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[The AI Trade Burned Down: Let Round 2 Begin]]></title><description><![CDATA[With more sanity this time...]]></description><link>https://www.viksnewsletter.com/p/the-ai-trade-burned-down</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.viksnewsletter.com/p/the-ai-trade-burned-down</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Vikram Sekar]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2026 09:31:10 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!PXlW!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F75ca20d4-3e01-497e-9fe1-4007a38d4edd_1234x694.jpeg" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This week was an investor nightmare come true: the boogeyman is finally here, and the AI trade unwound. The Situational Awareness story is the most reported story this week, and it is worth following what happened if you are not already informed. We&#8217;ll tell the story here, and what may happen going forward.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!PXlW!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F75ca20d4-3e01-497e-9fe1-4007a38d4edd_1234x694.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!PXlW!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F75ca20d4-3e01-497e-9fe1-4007a38d4edd_1234x694.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!PXlW!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F75ca20d4-3e01-497e-9fe1-4007a38d4edd_1234x694.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!PXlW!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F75ca20d4-3e01-497e-9fe1-4007a38d4edd_1234x694.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!PXlW!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F75ca20d4-3e01-497e-9fe1-4007a38d4edd_1234x694.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!PXlW!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F75ca20d4-3e01-497e-9fe1-4007a38d4edd_1234x694.jpeg" width="1234" height="694" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/75ca20d4-3e01-497e-9fe1-4007a38d4edd_1234x694.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:694,&quot;width&quot;:1234,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;Image&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:false,&quot;topImage&quot;:true,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="Image" title="Image" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!PXlW!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F75ca20d4-3e01-497e-9fe1-4007a38d4edd_1234x694.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!PXlW!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F75ca20d4-3e01-497e-9fe1-4007a38d4edd_1234x694.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!PXlW!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F75ca20d4-3e01-497e-9fe1-4007a38d4edd_1234x694.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!PXlW!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F75ca20d4-3e01-497e-9fe1-4007a38d4edd_1234x694.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw" fetchpriority="high"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><div><hr></div><p><em>By reading this post, you agree to the <a href="https://www.viksnewsletter.com/p/terms-and-conditions">terms and conditions</a>. Also see the <a href="https://www.viksnewsletter.com/p/ethics">full ethics statement</a>.</em></p><p><em>Also check out the <a href="https://www.viksnewsletter.com/about#&#167;semi-doped-podcast">Semi Doped podcast</a> with Austin Lyons and myself, and <a href="https://daily.semidoped.com/">our daily free newsletter</a> with latest semi news. If you would like to engage independent research services for your project or need expert calls, check out my boutique consulting practice at <a href="https://semiexponent.com/">SemiExponent</a>.</em></p><div><hr></div><h3>Are you aware of the Situation?</h3><p>Situational Awareness (SA) is a hedge fund run by ex-OpenAI upstart Leopold Aschenbrenner whose entire view on the AI trade is &#8220;hyper-bullish&#8221; to put it mildly. Their sole premise of investment is &#8212; AGI is here to swallow the world, and nothing short of it. In the era of bottleneck trades that we have been in the midst of for the last two years, this premise worked swimmingly, with the fund posting over 2,000% gains. </p><p>They did so with an insane amount of leverage &#8212; like 4x, where leverage is basically borrowing to invest, and not putting down your own money. You can make a lot of money with leverage, but when things go south like they did this week, you can also lose a lot of money. We&#8217;ll get to that.</p><p>SA become a global and FinX phenomenon, where everyone was waiting to see what they were investing in. Their 13F filings were more awaited than a Taylor album for a Swiftie. There were plenty of copy traders who waited to see what SA invested in and bought the same stocks. I imagine some of them were even more levered than SA because (a) blind faith/greed, and (b) they were not as early as SA, and had to &#8220;catch up.&#8221; More leverage = more money, especially if you already had bought into the &#8220;AGI is here and nothing else matters&#8221; kool-aid.</p><h3>The Storm was Brewing</h3><p>But the perfect storm of events were already brewing; one that you can probably only tell in hindsight.</p><ul><li><p>SK Hynix&#8217;s stellar numbers came in below consensus (a word the Street uses to mean &#8220;we all believe this is how much they will make in earnings&#8221;) &#8212; a sign that expectations had gotten ahead of reality</p></li><li><p>China announced they are putting immersion DUV in production &#8212; this does not change anything immediately.</p></li><li><p>CXMT IPO-ed and got a massive boost with people believing they will flood the market with cheap memory &#8212; they can make DRAM, not cutting edge HBM, and they definitely do not have capacity to supply the entire world with memory.</p></li><li><p>Everybody getting very skittish about the amount of debt that the infrastructure companies had taken on.</p></li></ul><p>There is one more factor that deserves its own section later, but let&#8217;s (briefly) talk about this debt: even earlier this week, there were fears that infrastructure builders are not going to be able to repay their debts if all the CapEx investments do not turn into revenue. Not to mention all the circular financing deals going on, where Nvidia is investing money into their own customers, and many more complex dealings tied to tranches of stocks vesting when they hit certain prices. It&#8217;s nuts, I agree, and hard to keep track of.</p><p>Anyway, investors often buy Credit Default Swaps (CDS) when they believe that companies will not be able to repay their debt; think of it as insurance against a bad investment. When this insurance premium goes up, you know that more people believe that companies will default of their lines of credit. CDS premium spreads were what what gave away the subprime mortgage crisis of 2008-2009 too, but at the time, they were insuring against Mortgage-Backed Securities. Only now, its against the AI infrastructure debt, not mortgages.</p><h3>The Fuse Was Lit</h3><p>In this supercycle, it is clear that memory investors are most skittish because of the rapid rise of profitability in the big-3 memory companies. These companies have made an order or magnitude more money on an annual basis than just a few years ago. Profit margins have reached 90%, which is an absurd number, and the entire tech industry is cracking under the burden of memory prices. </p><p>To put it mildly, investors have been looking for the memory top.</p><p>SK Hynix&#8217;s earnings showed an inflection point &#8212; one that investors have been waiting for. Korean investors, like so many others, have also been highly leveraged on memory companies; and when the first derivative hit zero, many investors found the top they had been looking for. This caused a massive unwind in the Korean market causing SK Hynix stock to have one of the greatest drops in Korean stock market history. The KOSPI index plummeted, and the Korean stock market had to limit short selling / hedged bets to even stabilize the carnage.</p><p>This essentially pulled the entire AI market down, because if we are at the top now, then future capex investments are going to decline, and that means there&#8217;s not a lot of money to be made. Better pick up the change and run. Even Corning, who unrelatedly made innocuous optical fiber faced a 20% drop in stock. Amkor &#8212; a packaging company &#8212; posted good earnings, but faced a steep sell off. The blast clearly has had a wide radius.</p><h3>Pull the Trigger, But Aim First</h3><p>In this midst of this devastation, SA had about $45B invested and mostly in AI trades and short software stocks. Their stars aligned, but for the worse &#8212; a Lovecraftian scene where the cruel moon shone its eerie white light on one hyper-bullish hedge fund. Its long positions in AI were crushed, while short software positions ripped.</p><p>In less than a week, SA lost tens of billions of dollars wiping out the entire public holding of the hedge fund. Its losses were about 75%, and what remained was its position in private funds, including a $5B stake in the Anthropic IPO which remained protected. This kept SA alive as a hedge-fund, but crippled and bleeding. </p><p>A letter posted by SA showed that they are still up 80% YTD, just not 2,000%+. But 80% is no big deal. Anyone who bought <span class="cashtag-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;symbol&quot;:&quot;$SMH&quot;}" data-component-name="CashtagToDOM"></span> at the start of the year would have 45% in gains; you don&#8217;t need a genius to make 80%, let alone Leopold Aschenbrenner, who is still a smart man all said and done.</p><p>So what happened to SA&#8217;s public equities? Well, there is one aspect of the storm I haven&#8217;t told you about, remember? A few days ago, a note from Frank Flight, head of macro strategy at Citadel Securities &#8212; a hedge fund owned 80% by billionaire Ken Griffin &#8212; warned that the Fed would raise interest rates by 0.25% in an effort to fight inflation. This was likely a scare tactic because the fed did not end up raising the interest rates after all. But the damage was done.</p><p><span>Tech and AI stocks are highly sensitive to interest rates because their valuations rely heavily on projected future earnings. Higher rates make future profits less valuable today, and the scare was also a contributing factor to the sell off this week. One theory is that the scare tactic was planned, and intentional because of what happens next.</span></p><p><strong><span>Citadel Securities comes in and BUYS SA&#8217;s ENTIRE PUBLIC STOCK PORTFOLIO for 40-50 cents on the dollar.</span></strong><span> </span></p><p><span>A lot of main news outlet&#8217;s claim that Citadel &#8220;bailed out&#8221; SA here, but make no mistake: Citadel aimed well, and shot SA straight in the head. Legal? Maybe. Market Manipulation? Maybe. Brutal? Yes, 100%.</span></p><p><span>Oh, and did I mention that Leopold was getting married this weekend, to the chief-of-staff of Anthropic &#8212; </span> Avital Balwit? Dude.</p><p>After the paywall, a few thoughts on what happens next.</p><h3>Where does that leave us now?</h3>
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   ]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[HBM is the Ugly Baby: What Now?]]></title><description><![CDATA[Innovations in memory architecture will save the day.]]></description><link>https://www.viksnewsletter.com/p/hbm-is-the-ugly-baby-what-now</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.viksnewsletter.com/p/hbm-is-the-ugly-baby-what-now</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Vikram Sekar]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2026 09:00:16 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!FFWW!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ffb68bcc7-b1c8-435b-8154-cdd3aeeec384_1024x559.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span>At the Raise Summit held in early July 2026, Pat Gelsinger called HBM a lousy memory and (&#8220;not to call it&#8221;) SK Hynix&#8217;s ugly baby, in the presence of Hoshik Kim (SVP and Fellow at SK Hynix) who was also on the panel. Kim then agreed with Gelsinger that perhaps HBM is not the end-game in memory technology, to which one of the panel members asked: &#8220;SK Hynix is actually admitting that HBM is a bad memory?&#8221; Awkwardness ensued.</span></p><p><span>Since the video&#8217;s release on Youtube late last week, </span><a href="https://x.com/firesidealpha/status/2081076238563897548?s=20"><span>shock</span></a><span> </span><a href="https://x.com/firesidealpha/status/2081094995101241454?s=20"><span>clips</span></a><span> have appeared on social media that take the whole conversation out of context. What actually follows in the </span><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsdT-0bmltg&amp;t=191s"><span>whole 35 minute discussion</span></a><span> is an insightful discussion into the future of memory, how it is an exciting time for memory innovation, where memory is going in the next few years, and what the industry is looking at today.</span></p><p><span>This article discusses these points in greater detail, providing necessary color where helpful so that the whole discussion can be viewed in a more helpful and positive context for the future of memory.</span></p><div><hr></div><p><em>By reading this post, you agree to the <a href="https://www.viksnewsletter.com/p/terms-and-conditions">terms and conditions</a>. Also see the <a href="https://www.viksnewsletter.com/p/ethics">full ethics statement</a>.</em></p><p><em>If you&#8217;re new, check out the <a href="https://www.viksnewsletter.com/about">About page</a>. 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You can find the whole catalog of articles for purchase <a href="https://www.semiexponent.com/products">at this link</a>.</em></p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.semiexponent.com/hbm-is-the-ugly-baby-what-now&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Buy the article&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.semiexponent.com/hbm-is-the-ugly-baby-what-now"><span>Buy the article</span></a></p><p><em>Also check out the <a href="https://www.viksnewsletter.com/about#&#167;semi-doped-podcast">Semi Doped podcast</a> with  and myself, and <a href="https://daily.semidoped.com/">our daily free newsletter</a> with latest semi news.</em></p><p><em>If you would like to engage independent research services for your project or need expert calls, check out my boutique consulting practice at <a href="https://www.viksnewsletter.com/about#&#167;semiexponent">SemiExponent</a>.</em></p><div><hr></div><h3><span>The Three Fold Problem</span></h3><p><span>Gelsinger points out that there are actually three major problems with HBM today: (1) insatiable demand, (2) larger capacity demand, and (3) greater memory bandwidth requirements.</span></p><p><span>When these three elements are put together, only one technology really emerges to satisfy the requirements of the industry: high bandwidth memory, or HBM. Stacking DRAM chips to make HBM ticks the higher capacity with high bandwidth boxes, while creating a massive appetite for memory. Today, AI is a memory-limited problem.</span></p><p><span>The consequence of this is that memory makers enjoy a near 90% margin, which Gelsinger points out is something that should never happen. Memory companies used to have one good year out of four as they usually built out capacity too quickly, and were left holding the bags in a downturn. Today, the memory cycle is looking strong several years into the run up, with no end in sight.</span></p><p><span>Unfortunately, the memory crunch is here for at least another 2-3 years, as Gelsinger points out, because capacity buildouts take time. He also points out that in that time frame, Apple may increase prices yet again. The consumer market will continue to be choked by AI demand in the near future. The hardest question to answer today is: When capacity does come online, will we still need all this memory?</span></p><p><span>Vijay Shilpiekandula from Dilation Capital makes an interesting point: token growth is exponential, while capacity buildout is linear. He mentions that memory intensity per token is on the rise - a framing that I particularly like. As context lengths continue to grow, and the user base (human and agent) increases, the amount of memory that the system has to support only increases, and from what we can tell today, there is demand inflection on the horizon.</span></p><h3><span>HBM: The Ugly Baby</span></h3><p><span>The said ugly baby was actually born out of a collaboration between AMD and SK Hynix as early as 2013, when they were trying to solve the memory bandwidth problem for supercomputing applications. HBM1 stacked four 1 GB DRAM chips for a total capacity of 4 GB, with a memory bandwidth of 128 GB/s. Today&#8217;s HBM4 stacks sixteen 4 GB dies for 64 GB capacity and a total bandwidth of 2TB/s.</span></p><p><span>The baby is all grown up now, but has become increasingly difficult to handle. Stacking to increase capacity causes thermal, yield, and capacity issues. DRAM chips generate heat, and it is becoming difficult to ensure that it is effectively removed. Yield is also becoming difficult as stack heights increase. Capacity-wise, HBM is incredibly inefficient because the bit-density of a DRAM die for HBM is 1/3rd of a standalone DRAM chip - a consequence of putting through-silicon-vias (TSVs) through the DRAM die. Making HBM now pulls all the capacity out of the DRAM supply chain because it takes 3x as many wafers to make the same HBM capacity, as you would with DRAM.</span></p><p><span>The problem gets worse with HBM5. JEDEC, the standard body that defines how high these stacks can physically be, has been relaxing the specs because keeping the physical dimension constrained would involve a shift to hybrid bonding - a technology still new to the memory industry at scale. Concept demonstrations for HBM5 from the big memory makers now include integrated cooling solutions co-packaged with HBM to extract heat. In addition, the base die that sits under the DRAM stack is going to a custom design that makes memory no longer a commodity, off-the-shelf product that is fungible between different designs.</span></p><p><span>The memory game has fundamentally changed, and Gelsinger&#8217;s main point is that the next few years will see the rise of new architectures and technologies if we were to fulfill our AI dreams, giving new life to a technology that has stopped scaling for the good part of a decade. It is the greatest time in history to be in the memory business.</span></p><p><strong>After the paywall:</strong></p><ul><li><p>The Era of Memory Innovations</p><ul><li><p>Bandwidth solutions (SRAM, 3D-DRAM)</p></li><li><p>Capacity solutions (SOCAMM/LPDDR, Flash)</p></li></ul></li><li><p>Nobody knows how this memory cycle ends</p></li></ul>
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   ]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Lasers for CPO/NPO: Part 2 – Lumentum’s Technology and Moat]]></title><description><![CDATA[How JDSU/Lumentum engineered their UHP laser, where the competition stands, and how its all about "is it good enough?"]]></description><link>https://www.viksnewsletter.com/p/lasers-for-cponpo-part-2-lumentums-tech-and-moat</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.viksnewsletter.com/p/lasers-for-cponpo-part-2-lumentums-tech-and-moat</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Vikram Sekar]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2026 13:14:45 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/0fec2c78-aedb-41a1-826f-a0157c7c8119_1920x1080.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span>In this series on UHP lasers for CPO/NPO, our purpose is to carefully dissect the technology to understand how it works, where the engineering difficulty lies, what architectural options exist, and deeply understand where the technology differentiation and moat actually lies for key industry players. If you want to understand why these external lasers are needed, see this earlier post.</span></p><div class="digest-post-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;nodeId&quot;:&quot;ee62f1bc-31f1-482a-87fe-6024b4f225ad&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;Welcome to a &#128274; subscriber-only deep-dive edition &#128274; of my weekly newsletter. Each week, I help investors, professionals and students stay up-to-date on complex topics, and navigate the semiconductor industry.&quot;,&quot;cta&quot;:null,&quot;showBylines&quot;:true,&quot;showDescription&quot;:true,&quot;showImage&quot;:true,&quot;size&quot;:&quot;lg&quot;,&quot;isEditorNode&quot;:true,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;Why Co-Packaged Optics Uses External Lasers Instead of Integrated Sources&quot;,&quot;publishedBylines&quot;:[{&quot;id&quot;:124411709,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Vikram Sekar&quot;,&quot;bio&quot;:null,&quot;photo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/afc78b68-c3cf-4c29-94f3-1422781e3e92_185x185.png&quot;,&quot;is_guest&quot;:false,&quot;bestseller_tier&quot;:1000}],&quot;post_date&quot;:&quot;2025-11-09T18:29:42.042Z&quot;,&quot;cover_image&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!-jgG!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4567942b-3b5f-4746-8241-33b4cafbc8ca_900x600.png&quot;,&quot;cover_image_alt&quot;:null,&quot;canonical_url&quot;:&quot;https://www.viksnewsletter.com/p/why-cpo-uses-external-lasers&quot;,&quot;section_name&quot;:null,&quot;video_upload_id&quot;:null,&quot;id&quot;:178423061,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;newsletter&quot;,&quot;reaction_count&quot;:37,&quot;comment_count&quot;:3,&quot;publication_id&quot;:2065897,&quot;publication_name&quot;:&quot;Vik's Newsletter&quot;,&quot;publication_logo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9JlA!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa409d69d-ca10-4bfe-a1fc-f8d291690566_185x185.png&quot;,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:false,&quot;youtube_url&quot;:null,&quot;show_links&quot;:null,&quot;feed_url&quot;:null}"></div><p><span>In Part 1 of this series, we built up the fundamental physics of ultra high power (UHP) lasers. We concluded by identifying the four walls that make it challenging to implement a UHP laser: managing heat, maintaining narrow linewidth, getting light out, and catastrophic optical damage. </span></p><div class="digest-post-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;nodeId&quot;:&quot;ef7d74b8-fe7a-4b14-aa59-d47ef1a797cf&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;There is a lot of FUD in the market about ultra high power (UHP) lasers for CPO and who the leading provider is in this segment. Everybody I&#8217;ve asked about UHP lasers unequivocally says Lumentum is in the lead, but few are able to discuss the engineering challenges in making UHP lasers, where the Lumentum advantage lies (if it even exists), and what the real alligator-filled moat is that keeps competitors out.&quot;,&quot;cta&quot;:null,&quot;showBylines&quot;:true,&quot;showDescription&quot;:true,&quot;showImage&quot;:true,&quot;size&quot;:&quot;lg&quot;,&quot;isEditorNode&quot;:true,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;Lasers for CPO/NPO: Part 1 &#8211; The InP DFB Laser&quot;,&quot;publishedBylines&quot;:[{&quot;id&quot;:124411709,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Vikram Sekar&quot;,&quot;bio&quot;:null,&quot;photo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/afc78b68-c3cf-4c29-94f3-1422781e3e92_185x185.png&quot;,&quot;is_guest&quot;:false,&quot;bestseller_tier&quot;:1000}],&quot;post_date&quot;:&quot;2026-07-15T17:33:18.972Z&quot;,&quot;cover_image&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!m7KS!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa4fb909d-81b1-47be-b7b3-8be6119647a8_1024x559.png&quot;,&quot;cover_image_alt&quot;:null,&quot;canonical_url&quot;:&quot;https://www.viksnewsletter.com/p/lasers-for-cponpo-part-1-the-inp&quot;,&quot;section_name&quot;:null,&quot;video_upload_id&quot;:null,&quot;id&quot;:207183819,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;newsletter&quot;,&quot;reaction_count&quot;:44,&quot;comment_count&quot;:0,&quot;publication_id&quot;:2065897,&quot;publication_name&quot;:&quot;Vik's Newsletter&quot;,&quot;publication_logo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9JlA!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa409d69d-ca10-4bfe-a1fc-f8d291690566_185x185.png&quot;,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:false,&quot;youtube_url&quot;:null,&quot;show_links&quot;:null,&quot;feed_url&quot;:null}"></div><p><span>In Part 2, we will explore exactly how Lumentum overcame these challenges via their </span><a href="https://www.spiedigitallibrary.org/conference-proceedings-of-spie/6485/64850G/Very-high-power-1310nm-InP-single-mode-distributed-feed-back/10.1117/12.701321.short"><span>2007 paper as JDS Uniphase</span></a><span>, and via their later </span><a href="https://www.lumentum.com/sites/default/files/2025-12/high_power_cw_laser_for_co-packaged_optics_2022.pdf"><span>2022 CLEO paper</span></a><span> on UHP lasers. We will touch on reliability and single mode operation, and dig into how defensible their UHP laser platform is, including what it means for the competition.</span></p><p><strong><span>Contents:</span></strong></p><ul><li><p><strong><span>Suppressing Re-Broadening for sub-MHz Linewidth</span></strong><span>: How to choose the key design parameter that makes UHP lasers work</span></p></li><li><p><strong><span>Precisely Engineering the Cavity Length</span></strong><span>: Are longer lasers necessarily worse? How do laser designers choose the laser cavity length?</span></p></li><li><p><strong><span>Pros and Cons for Longer Cavity Length</span></strong><span>: What does cavity length help with, and what it means for reliability and mode-stability</span></p></li><li><p><strong><span>The Moat isn&#8217;t the UHP Laser design</span></strong><span>: The engineering mindset is to out-design the competition in UHP lasers, but reality is different: is it good enough?</span></p></li></ul><div><hr></div><p><em>By reading this post, you agree to the <a href="https://www.viksnewsletter.com/p/terms-and-conditions">terms and conditions</a>. Also see the <a href="https://www.viksnewsletter.com/p/ethics">full ethics statement</a>.</em></p><p><em>If you&#8217;re new, check out the <a href="https://www.viksnewsletter.com/about">About page</a>. A lot of readers expense the subscription to this newsletter as it helps their professional work. Group subscriptions (3+) are 20% off. 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Good lasers should have narrow linewidth because the transmission of an optical pulse on an optical fiber broadens the pulse anyway; no need to have that problem at the source.</span></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!EArv!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb8ed4f21-8b27-4386-9b39-098ac97ef617_1024x559.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!EArv!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb8ed4f21-8b27-4386-9b39-098ac97ef617_1024x559.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!EArv!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb8ed4f21-8b27-4386-9b39-098ac97ef617_1024x559.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!EArv!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb8ed4f21-8b27-4386-9b39-098ac97ef617_1024x559.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!EArv!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb8ed4f21-8b27-4386-9b39-098ac97ef617_1024x559.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!EArv!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb8ed4f21-8b27-4386-9b39-098ac97ef617_1024x559.png" width="592" height="323.171875" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/b8ed4f21-8b27-4386-9b39-098ac97ef617_1024x559.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/6a92e92e-8ba4-4029-b484-07cfcd602d2c_1024x559.png&quot;,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:559,&quot;width&quot;:1024,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:592,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!EArv!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb8ed4f21-8b27-4386-9b39-098ac97ef617_1024x559.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!EArv!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb8ed4f21-8b27-4386-9b39-098ac97ef617_1024x559.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!EArv!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb8ed4f21-8b27-4386-9b39-098ac97ef617_1024x559.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!EArv!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb8ed4f21-8b27-4386-9b39-098ac97ef617_1024x559.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p style="text-align: center;"><span data-color="#4a86e8" style="color: rgb(74, 134, 232);">Pulse broadens as power gets higher. Source: Gemini, for conceptual purposes only.</span></p><p><span>They explain that there were two things causing this:</span></p><ol><li><p><span>With so much optical power in the laser, photons are not distributed uniformly in the physical structure under the DFB grating. We explained this effect as spatial hole burning in part 1. This non-uniformity also causes a non-uniform refractive index, which in turn makes the linewidth broaden.</span></p></li><li><p><span>Within the InP multiple quantum well (MQW, where electricity is converted to light), there are random charge recombinations always occurring. This added to the &#8220;phase noise&#8221; of the system and also caused linewidth to broaden.</span></p></li></ol><p><span>The former mechanism was more dominant, but the latter is significant enough to not be ignored. It was already known through other published work at the time that the easiest way to avoid re-broadening is to make the cavity length (L) longer. This generally helps distribute the photons in the cavity more evenly and keep the refractive index as even as possible under the DFB grating.</span></p><p><span>But it is not quite as simple as just increasing length because how evenly the photons are distributed depends on the DFB grating design. In part 1, we explained how there is a quantity &#954; &#8211; the grating&#8217;s reflection strength per unit length &#8211; combined with the length of cavity L, determines how evenly the photons are distributed.</span></p><p><span>As a recap from part 1:</span></p><blockquote><p><strong>&#954;L is the key knob that decides how light is distributed along the chip</strong>.</p><ul><li><p><span>If the &#954;L is too low, then light spreads out and leaks towards the ends. Insufficient feedback to hold the light in the channel evenly, and wavelength selection is weak.</span></p></li><li><p><span>If &#954;L is too high, then light gets trapped and piles up in the middle of the chip and causes spatial hole burning.</span></p></li></ul></blockquote><p><span>Engineering the right UHP laser now came down to picking the right cavity length L, for a given grating reflection strength &#954; set by the grating design. There is a goldilocks range for &#954;L where the photon field was the flattest &#8211; which JDSU determined to be 0.7. Look at the pink lines in the graphs below, for different phases of the optical signal. &#954;L=0.7 provides a flatness over nearly 200 degrees of phase &#8211; much better than &#954;L=0.5 or &#954;L=1.</span></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!VxL0!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6279297e-4c84-4439-8790-efa0f69845b5_1790x1334.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!VxL0!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6279297e-4c84-4439-8790-efa0f69845b5_1790x1334.png 424w, 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y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><a href="https://www.spiedigitallibrary.org/profile/Pierre.Doussiere-78382"><span>Pierre Doussiere</span></a><span>, </span><a href="https://www.spiedigitallibrary.org/profile/notfound?author=Chan-Long_Shieh"><span>Chan-Long Shieh</span></a><span>, </span><a href="https://www.spiedigitallibrary.org/profile/notfound?author=Scott_DeMars"><span>Scott DeMars</span></a><span>, et al. "Very high-power 1310nm InP single mode distributed feed back laser diode with reduced linewidth", Proc. SPIE 6485, Novel In-Plane Semiconductor Lasers VI, 64850G (8 Feb 2007); </span><a href="https://doi.org/10.1117/12.701321">https://doi.org/10.1117/12.701321</a></figcaption></figure></div><h3><span>Precisely Engineering the Cavity Length</span></h3><p><span>Now that &#954;L is set, the crux of the problem is that both &#954; and L are design parameters that can be chosen to keep &#954;L=0.7. How do we choose?</span></p>
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   ]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Lasers for CPO/NPO: Part 1 – The InP DFB Laser]]></title><description><![CDATA[How an InP DFB laser works, and the four physical walls that make high power hard.]]></description><link>https://www.viksnewsletter.com/p/lasers-for-cponpo-part-1-the-inp</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.viksnewsletter.com/p/lasers-for-cponpo-part-1-the-inp</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Vikram Sekar]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2026 17:33:18 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!m7KS!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa4fb909d-81b1-47be-b7b3-8be6119647a8_1024x559.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span>There is a lot of FUD in the market about ultra high power (UHP) lasers for CPO and who the leading provider is in this segment. Everybody I&#8217;ve asked about UHP lasers unequivocally says Lumentum is in the lead, but few are able to discuss the engineering challenges in making UHP lasers, where the Lumentum advantage lies (if it even exists), and what the real alligator-filled moat is that keeps competitors out.</span></p><p><span>The goal of this article series is not to dethrone Lumentum or advocate for an alternative provider in any way. It is to understand the true difficulty of making UHP lasers for CPO from first principles, so that the reader is well informed enough to cut through the noise and think for themselves.</span></p><p><span>Instead of examining generic laser architectures, we will directly address the one that Lumentum says their structure is most similar to, in their </span><a href="https://www.lumentum.com/sites/default/files/2025-12/high_power_cw_laser_for_co-packaged_optics_2022.pdf"><span>CLEO 2022 paper</span></a><span>.</span></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!NCI8!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4544ea63-97bc-4bdd-92b2-46346c1c6c9c_733x227.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!NCI8!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4544ea63-97bc-4bdd-92b2-46346c1c6c9c_733x227.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!NCI8!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4544ea63-97bc-4bdd-92b2-46346c1c6c9c_733x227.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!NCI8!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4544ea63-97bc-4bdd-92b2-46346c1c6c9c_733x227.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!NCI8!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4544ea63-97bc-4bdd-92b2-46346c1c6c9c_733x227.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!NCI8!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4544ea63-97bc-4bdd-92b2-46346c1c6c9c_733x227.png" width="733" height="227" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/4544ea63-97bc-4bdd-92b2-46346c1c6c9c_733x227.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:227,&quot;width&quot;:733,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:false,&quot;topImage&quot;:true,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!NCI8!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4544ea63-97bc-4bdd-92b2-46346c1c6c9c_733x227.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!NCI8!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4544ea63-97bc-4bdd-92b2-46346c1c6c9c_733x227.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!NCI8!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4544ea63-97bc-4bdd-92b2-46346c1c6c9c_733x227.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!NCI8!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4544ea63-97bc-4bdd-92b2-46346c1c6c9c_733x227.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" fetchpriority="high"></picture><div></div></div></a></figure></div><p><span>In their CLEO 2022 paper, it seems interesting that Lumentum would quote a paper from 2007 as the basis for their high power laser design. These authors at the time were affiliated with JDS Uniphase, which spun off in 2015 to become the publicly traded, and well loved company that we know as Lumentum today. </span></p><p><span>Interestingly, none of those authors work at Lumentum any more. Another important takeaway is that Lumentum has been working on UHP lasers since before they were Lumentum. As it turns out, 20 years later, this precise laser architecture is what the world wants for CPO and Lumentum just happens to have a ton of experience with it.</span></p><p><span>This 2007 paper describes a 1310 nm InGaAsP/InP DFB doing 600 mW on-chip and 350 mW ex-fiber with sub-500 kHz linewidth, and is spec-for-spec the ancestor of the UHP laser Lumentum sells for CPO today. We&#8217;ll use this as a case study to understand UHP lasers and how its related challenges were solved, but is still by no means an endorsement for investments in Lumentum. Do your own research.</span></p><p><span>To understand how to make a good UHP laser requires a background in how these devices work. This first part is groundwork: how an InP DFB laser works and the physical walls that make high power hard. Where Lumentum&#8217;s advantage actually lies, and how deep the moat runs, needs this physics first, so that verdict waits for Part 2.</span></p><p><strong><span>Contents:</span></strong></p><ul><li><p><span>InP laser diode fundamentals</span></p><ul><li><p><span>Multiple Quantum Well structure</span></p></li><li><p><span>L-I curve, spontaneous vs stimulated emission</span></p></li></ul></li><li><p><span>Distributed Feedback (DFB) grating design</span></p><ul><li><p><span>Mode-hopping</span></p></li><li><p><span>How to space gratings</span></p></li><li><p><span>How DFB works</span></p></li><li><p><span>Refractive index changes</span></p></li><li><p><span>Reflection strength and length</span></p></li></ul></li><li><p><span>Laser Linewidth and DFB Cavity Length</span></p><ul><li><p><span>Calculating linewidth: Schawlow-Townes-Henry equation</span></p></li><li><p><span>Impact of power, mirror loss and dependence on length</span></p></li></ul></li><li><p><span>Low Power DFB Lasers for Telecom/EML</span></p><ul><li><p><span>Direct modulated lasers (DML)</span></p></li><li><p><span>CW lasers and EMLs</span></p></li></ul></li><li><p><span>High Power DFB Lasers for CPO</span></p><ul><li><p><span>How to increase output power</span></p></li><li><p><span>The 4 walls of UHP lasers</span></p><ul><li><p><span>Heat</span></p></li><li><p><span>Linewidth widening</span></p></li><li><p><span>Getting light out</span></p></li><li><p><span>Catastrophic optical damage</span></p></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul><div><hr></div><p><em>By reading this post, you agree to the <a href="https://www.viksnewsletter.com/p/terms-and-conditions">terms and conditions</a>. Also see the <a href="https://www.viksnewsletter.com/p/ethics">full ethics statement</a>.</em></p><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.viksnewsletter.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption"><em>For the full post, upgrade to a paid subscription</em></p></div><form class="subscription-widget-subscribe"><input type="email" class="email-input" name="email" placeholder="Type your email&#8230;" tabindex="-1"><input type="submit" class="button primary" value="Subscribe"><div class="fake-input-wrapper"><div class="fake-input"></div><div class="fake-button"></div></div></form></div></div><p><em>If you are not a paid subscriber, you can purchase just this article using the button below. You can find the whole catalog of articles for purchase <a href="https://www.semiexponent.com/products">at this link</a>.</em></p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.semiexponent.com/lasers-for-cpo-npo-part-1-the-inp-dfb-laser&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Buy the report&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.semiexponent.com/lasers-for-cpo-npo-part-1-the-inp-dfb-laser"><span>Buy the report</span></a></p><p><em>If you would like to engage boutique research services for your project, reach out to us.</em></p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.semiexponent.com/&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Contact SemiExponent&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.semiexponent.com/"><span>Contact SemiExponent</span></a></p><div><hr></div><p>The Indium Phosphine (InP) Distributed Feedback (DFB) laser is the fundamental component of optics today, so it is best we understand how it works. It consists of two basic parts built on the same piece of material: The InP laser diode and DFB grating.</p><h3><span>The InP laser diode</span></h3><p><span>This is often called the gain section and its job is to convert electrical current into optical power. The light is generated by Multiple Quantum Wells (MQW) in an &#8220;active region&#8221; which are essentially alternating layers of InGaAsP (Indium-Galium-Arsenic-Phosporus) sandwiched together. The alternating layers have slightly different compositions of these fundamental elements, so that they have slightly different energy levels. The purpose of this structure is to trap electrons in a low-energy layer between two high energy layers so that the electrons are trapped in a &#8220;well&#8221; and can&#8217;t get out. Multiple wells means more electrons, which means stronger laser output.</span></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!8LIX!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6de96ee9-afc2-4ac7-bd40-96213541e41b_1181x602.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!8LIX!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6de96ee9-afc2-4ac7-bd40-96213541e41b_1181x602.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!8LIX!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6de96ee9-afc2-4ac7-bd40-96213541e41b_1181x602.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!8LIX!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6de96ee9-afc2-4ac7-bd40-96213541e41b_1181x602.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!8LIX!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6de96ee9-afc2-4ac7-bd40-96213541e41b_1181x602.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!8LIX!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6de96ee9-afc2-4ac7-bd40-96213541e41b_1181x602.png" width="1181" height="602" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/6de96ee9-afc2-4ac7-bd40-96213541e41b_1181x602.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:602,&quot;width&quot;:1181,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!8LIX!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6de96ee9-afc2-4ac7-bd40-96213541e41b_1181x602.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!8LIX!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6de96ee9-afc2-4ac7-bd40-96213541e41b_1181x602.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!8LIX!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6de96ee9-afc2-4ac7-bd40-96213541e41b_1181x602.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!8LIX!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6de96ee9-afc2-4ac7-bd40-96213541e41b_1181x602.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p style="text-align: center;"><span>Source: Effects of multiple quantum well width on InGaAs/InP laser diode, doi:10.1088/1742-6596/2937/1/012007. (</span><a href="https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1742-6596/2937/1/012007/pdf"><span>link</span></a><span>)</span></p><p><span>If you want to understand more about what energy levels in a semiconductor mean, I have several articles on this.</span></p><div class="digest-post-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;nodeId&quot;:&quot;10bbc84b-80ee-485b-b13c-768798f2fe57&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;Transistors are really wonderful little things that have changed our lives in countless ways. Semiconductors are so pervasive in our society that it helps to have a basic understanding from first principles. But textbooks are hard.&quot;,&quot;cta&quot;:null,&quot;showBylines&quot;:true,&quot;showDescription&quot;:true,&quot;showImage&quot;:true,&quot;size&quot;:&quot;lg&quot;,&quot;isEditorNode&quot;:true,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;The Joy of Semiconductor Devices&quot;,&quot;publishedBylines&quot;:[{&quot;id&quot;:124411709,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Vikram Sekar&quot;,&quot;bio&quot;:null,&quot;photo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/afc78b68-c3cf-4c29-94f3-1422781e3e92_185x185.png&quot;,&quot;is_guest&quot;:false,&quot;bestseller_tier&quot;:100}],&quot;post_date&quot;:&quot;2025-01-26T19:29:47.508Z&quot;,&quot;cover_image&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/fc0c10b0-5613-480c-8dd7-7d690388a1e6_1456x1048.png&quot;,&quot;cover_image_alt&quot;:null,&quot;canonical_url&quot;:&quot;https://www.viksnewsletter.com/p/joy-of-semiconductor-devices&quot;,&quot;section_name&quot;:null,&quot;video_upload_id&quot;:null,&quot;id&quot;:155674551,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;newsletter&quot;,&quot;reaction_count&quot;:53,&quot;comment_count&quot;:1,&quot;publication_id&quot;:2065897,&quot;publication_name&quot;:&quot;Vik's Newsletter&quot;,&quot;publication_logo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9JlA!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa409d69d-ca10-4bfe-a1fc-f8d291690566_185x185.png&quot;,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;youtube_url&quot;:null,&quot;show_links&quot;:null,&quot;feed_url&quot;:null}"></div><p><span>To generate light, current is applied to the laser diode by applying a voltage across the anode and cathode. When the current applied is low, the emission of light is a messy stream of light waves out of phase with each other, each one behaving independent of the other. This is called spontaneous emission, and is not a focused beam of light; it is much like LED light. If photons were people, they would just wander around in a park without purpose.</span></p><p><span>Beyond a threshold of current, stimulated emission kicks in. The photons generated in the presence of a highly concentrated &#8220;well&#8221; of electrons kick up more photons themselves resulting in an avalanche of more photons. These photons now march in step with their phases correlated to each other. Now the photons are on a military parade in complete lockstep while being highly directional and focused.</span></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!r4Te!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0755bc76-2ffc-44c0-8a93-e619de3baff4_850x1084.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!r4Te!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0755bc76-2ffc-44c0-8a93-e619de3baff4_850x1084.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!r4Te!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0755bc76-2ffc-44c0-8a93-e619de3baff4_850x1084.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!r4Te!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0755bc76-2ffc-44c0-8a93-e619de3baff4_850x1084.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!r4Te!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0755bc76-2ffc-44c0-8a93-e619de3baff4_850x1084.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!r4Te!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0755bc76-2ffc-44c0-8a93-e619de3baff4_850x1084.png" width="850" height="1084" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/0755bc76-2ffc-44c0-8a93-e619de3baff4_850x1084.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1084,&quot;width&quot;:850,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!r4Te!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0755bc76-2ffc-44c0-8a93-e619de3baff4_850x1084.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!r4Te!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0755bc76-2ffc-44c0-8a93-e619de3baff4_850x1084.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!r4Te!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0755bc76-2ffc-44c0-8a93-e619de3baff4_850x1084.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!r4Te!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0755bc76-2ffc-44c0-8a93-e619de3baff4_850x1084.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p style="text-align: center;"><em><span>Source: Wide-Band and Scalable Equivalent Circuit Model for Multiple Quantum Well Laser Diodes, Jae Hong Kim, PhD Thesis, Georgia Tech 2005.</span></em></p><p><span>This relationship between light and applied current is represented by the L-I diagram shown below. The threshold of current needed to make photons march together depends on the temperature; higher temperatures need more drive current. This is an important observation that will later drive a lot of our understanding of UHP lasers.</span></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!VngW!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1e3ac110-e554-4dbc-b123-2299f1e2f07d_406x270.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!VngW!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1e3ac110-e554-4dbc-b123-2299f1e2f07d_406x270.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!VngW!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1e3ac110-e554-4dbc-b123-2299f1e2f07d_406x270.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!VngW!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1e3ac110-e554-4dbc-b123-2299f1e2f07d_406x270.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!VngW!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1e3ac110-e554-4dbc-b123-2299f1e2f07d_406x270.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!VngW!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1e3ac110-e554-4dbc-b123-2299f1e2f07d_406x270.png" width="406" height="270" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/1e3ac110-e554-4dbc-b123-2299f1e2f07d_406x270.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:270,&quot;width&quot;:406,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!VngW!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1e3ac110-e554-4dbc-b123-2299f1e2f07d_406x270.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!VngW!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1e3ac110-e554-4dbc-b123-2299f1e2f07d_406x270.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!VngW!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1e3ac110-e554-4dbc-b123-2299f1e2f07d_406x270.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!VngW!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1e3ac110-e554-4dbc-b123-2299f1e2f07d_406x270.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p style="text-align: center;"><em><span>Source: Wide-Band and Scalable Equivalent Circuit Model for Multiple Quantum Well Laser Diodes, Jae Hong Kim, PhD Thesis, Georgia Tech 2005.</span></em></p>
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   ]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Kyber Midplane Design, Making NVL72x2 Work, and All Roads Lead to CPO]]></title><description><![CDATA[An engineering-first read of the supposed Kyber delay, why NVL72x2 was the "odd" duck nobody wanted, how to actually deploy it, and why CPO is the ultimate answer for large world sizes.]]></description><link>https://www.viksnewsletter.com/p/kyber-midplane-design-making-nvl72x2</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.viksnewsletter.com/p/kyber-midplane-design-making-nvl72x2</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Vikram Sekar]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2026 12:33:06 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZW3W!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc5356cb7-003f-4d12-9252-22f1ec65051b_800x1066.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span>In a </span><a href="https://x.com/SemiAnalysis_/status/2073874671498387899?s=20"><span>July 6 X post</span></a><span>, SemiAnalysis reported that Nvidia&#8217;s Kyber NVL144 rack has slipped by more than 12 months, from 2027 to 2028, because the PCB midplane remains hard to manufacture. Nvidia has pushed back saying that the roadmap is unchanged. A lot of the discourse is analyst sourced, and thus opinionated, including this note itself. I noted in </span><a href="https://x.com/vikramskr/status/2073959782357373275?s=20"><span>an earlier X post</span></a><span> that Nvidia&#8217;s moves all point to difficulty in copper scale-up for Kyber, which is why they were pushing for optical approaches.</span></p><p><span>Beyond the midplane PCB, SemiAnalysis notes that:</span></p><ul><li><p><span>The NVL576 multi-rack system is also likely delayed or limited to small volumes due to CPO challenges, leaving Nvidia without a proven way to expand the scale-up world size for Rubin Ultra.</span></p></li><li><p><span>The NVL72x2 back-to-back architecture was cancelled after pushback from hyperscalers over its odd design and operational burden.</span></p></li><li><p><span>The Oberon rack will remain the mainstay, and Nvidia will sell more of them in the Rubin era to cover the Kyber shortfall. SemiAnalysis still sees data center compute revenue running 20 percent above consensus in the second half of FY27, so views are not uniformly bearish.</span></p></li></ul><p><span>In this post, we will view all these claims through an engineering lens to understand the underlying physics, draw conclusions where possible, and suggest solutions that might be deployed.</span></p><p><strong><span>Table of contents:</span></strong></p><ol><li><p><span>Is the midplane PCB really too hard to manufacture?</span></p></li><li><p><span>NVL72x2: Why It Might Have Really Been Cancelled</span></p></li><li><p><span>NVL72x2: How to Make it Work</span></p></li><li><p><span>CPO for Scaling up World Size</span></p></li><li><p><span>Does this really create an opening for Google and AMD?</span></p></li></ol><p><span>At the end of this post, you will walk away with greater nuance as to what roadblocks are in the way of next generation hardware, how the big players are working around them, and where the pieces might fall in the future.</span></p><div><hr></div><p><em>By reading this post, you agree to the <a href="https://www.viksnewsletter.com/p/terms-and-conditions">terms and conditions</a>. 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This article will be available for paid digital download shortly after publication.</em></p><p><em>This is how we think about market claims at SemiExponent. If you have a bet you'd like tested this way privately, get in touch.</em></p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.semiexponent.com/&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Contact SemiExponent&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.semiexponent.com/"><span>Contact SemiExponent</span></a></p><div><hr></div><h3><span>Is the midplane PCB really too hard to manufacture?</span></h3><p><span>Let&#8217;s first introduce the midplane PCB and explain what problem it aims to solve. Here is a picture of it:</span></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZW3W!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc5356cb7-003f-4d12-9252-22f1ec65051b_800x1066.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZW3W!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc5356cb7-003f-4d12-9252-22f1ec65051b_800x1066.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZW3W!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc5356cb7-003f-4d12-9252-22f1ec65051b_800x1066.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZW3W!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc5356cb7-003f-4d12-9252-22f1ec65051b_800x1066.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZW3W!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc5356cb7-003f-4d12-9252-22f1ec65051b_800x1066.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZW3W!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc5356cb7-003f-4d12-9252-22f1ec65051b_800x1066.png" width="800" height="1066" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/c5356cb7-003f-4d12-9252-22f1ec65051b_800x1066.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1066,&quot;width&quot;:800,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZW3W!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc5356cb7-003f-4d12-9252-22f1ec65051b_800x1066.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZW3W!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc5356cb7-003f-4d12-9252-22f1ec65051b_800x1066.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZW3W!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc5356cb7-003f-4d12-9252-22f1ec65051b_800x1066.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZW3W!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc5356cb7-003f-4d12-9252-22f1ec65051b_800x1066.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Source: Nvidia/SemiAnalysis on X</figcaption></figure></div><p><span>In all the generations of racks till date, the scale-up domain in NVIDIA racks has always been copper. There is a cable cartridge that contains just over 5,000 passive copper cables that hook up the GPUs in an all-to-all configuration. As the interconnect speeds in the scale-up domain increased in every successive generation, copper interconnect reach became an issue. Copper&#8217;s losses meant that you needed something much shorter than long copper cables running through a spine. Enter the PCB.</span></p><p><span>The idea of the PCB was simple: hook up all the GPUs and network switches on a board level, instead of cables running through a spine. The compute trays would hook into one side and the network switches on the other. Then, by simply running traces on the PCB, you can get GPUs hooked up to each other. Simple and elegant right?</span></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!AMLy!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F63be161c-1a24-4e62-8dfc-cd0dd1ba37c7_482x421.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!AMLy!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F63be161c-1a24-4e62-8dfc-cd0dd1ba37c7_482x421.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!AMLy!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F63be161c-1a24-4e62-8dfc-cd0dd1ba37c7_482x421.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!AMLy!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F63be161c-1a24-4e62-8dfc-cd0dd1ba37c7_482x421.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!AMLy!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F63be161c-1a24-4e62-8dfc-cd0dd1ba37c7_482x421.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!AMLy!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F63be161c-1a24-4e62-8dfc-cd0dd1ba37c7_482x421.png" width="482" height="421" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/63be161c-1a24-4e62-8dfc-cd0dd1ba37c7_482x421.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:421,&quot;width&quot;:482,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!AMLy!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F63be161c-1a24-4e62-8dfc-cd0dd1ba37c7_482x421.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!AMLy!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F63be161c-1a24-4e62-8dfc-cd0dd1ba37c7_482x421.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!AMLy!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F63be161c-1a24-4e62-8dfc-cd0dd1ba37c7_482x421.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!AMLy!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F63be161c-1a24-4e62-8dfc-cd0dd1ba37c7_482x421.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Source: Semivision on X</figcaption></figure></div><p><span>No. Turns out that this is a routing problem of gargantuan proportions (literally) because you can&#8217;t just draw metal lines between GPUs like in a picture. As a result the routing problem only increases. You would need to route over or under metal connections to prevent them from intersecting. </span></p><p><span>Think of a freeway intersection: to keep the flow of traffic moving smoothly, you have different levels of roads, each level adding a significant amount of complexity to the routing problem.</span></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!mzW5!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1ada9e83-6225-45c4-9dc7-990252e7640e_1080x810.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!mzW5!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1ada9e83-6225-45c4-9dc7-990252e7640e_1080x810.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!mzW5!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1ada9e83-6225-45c4-9dc7-990252e7640e_1080x810.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!mzW5!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1ada9e83-6225-45c4-9dc7-990252e7640e_1080x810.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!mzW5!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1ada9e83-6225-45c4-9dc7-990252e7640e_1080x810.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!mzW5!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1ada9e83-6225-45c4-9dc7-990252e7640e_1080x810.png" width="1080" height="810" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/1ada9e83-6225-45c4-9dc7-990252e7640e_1080x810.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:810,&quot;width&quot;:1080,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!mzW5!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1ada9e83-6225-45c4-9dc7-990252e7640e_1080x810.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!mzW5!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1ada9e83-6225-45c4-9dc7-990252e7640e_1080x810.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!mzW5!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1ada9e83-6225-45c4-9dc7-990252e7640e_1080x810.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!mzW5!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1ada9e83-6225-45c4-9dc7-990252e7640e_1080x810.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Source: r/engineeringporn</figcaption></figure></div><p><span>It&#8217;s the same problem on the PCB, except that you have about 78 layers. In addition, the Kyber rack has 144 GPUs compared to the Blackwell era &#8220;Oberon&#8221; rack which has 72 GPUs. The exact PCB layer count seems to differ based on who you ask, but the takeaway remains: it is a very complex PCB. The midplane PCB makes the equivalent of 20,000 connections that would otherwise need to be copper cables which would be too many to fit in the spine. These boards are built on separate 26 layer boards each nearly a square meter in size and then laminated together to form a massive PCB required for Kyber midplane.</span></p><p><span>Anybody who has worked with high speed interconnects knows that PCBs are not automatically better. Sure, you can pack a higher routing density in a smaller space cutting the reach distance, but that says nothing about the losses. In general cables have lower losses for high speed signals than metal lines on a PCB. To keep the midplane PCB losses in check, it is built on an advanced high-frequency material consisting of an M9-grade copper clad laminate (CCL) with Quartz glass (Q-glass) reinforcement. The use of these specific materials is so that the dissipation factor (~0.0007) is as low as possible. Dissipation factor is a measure of how much of the signal is lost in the PCB dielectric material. When you have so many layers, it is best to lose as little as possible.</span></p><p><span>The sheer size, number of layers, and specialized materials required for the midplane PCB make it an engineering marvel. When deploying this in production, the yield of the PCB and reliability in the field have to be exceptionally high. The obstacles are plenty:</span></p><ul><li><p><span>No de-lamination can occur at any layer across a panel near a square meter.</span></p></li><li><p><span>Quartz glass is abrasive and hard to drill cleanly; connections between layers (through what are called vias) and drill bit wear become yield limiters.</span></p></li><li><p><span>Since yield compounds per layer, it becomes extremely difficult at 78 layers. A defect anywhere scraps the whole board.</span></p></li><li><p><span>A board-level failure affects the operation of 144 GPUs (in an NVL144 configuration) all at once.</span></p></li></ul><p><span>These factors make the engineering marvel hard to build in volume. The reason we examined the underlying engineering is to ground rumors of schedule delays in engineering reality. Yes, building these boards is hard but not impossible. AI PCBs already span tens of layers easily, the midplane PCB takes it to another level.</span></p><p><span>Confirming or denying the delay outright requires tracking the supply chain and orders closely, which is out of scope here. Additionally, Nvidia has responded saying that their roadmap is intact &#8211; so we&#8217;ll take their word for it. But, if you are NVIDIA, and your best engineers say that the midplane PCB is hard, what&#8217;s the backup plan? The answer is the NVL72x2.</span></p><h3><span>NVL72x2: Why It Might Have Really Been Cancelled</span></h3><p><span>144 GPUs are difficult to fit into a rack for a couple of reasons:</span></p><ol><li><p><span>They draw a lot more power per rack which would require the use of 800V DC systems to handle the power distribution and copper cable weight within the rack (see earlier detailed post on this below)</span></p></li><li><p><span>The routing problem as we discussed is complex, and requires an enormous PCB that is hard to make.</span></p></li></ol><div class="digest-post-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;nodeId&quot;:&quot;90487fad-e105-433d-9c39-45fa67f31166&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;One of the easier architectural changes to spot in AI datacenters are those that are physics-driven. Just like how copper interconnect reach was ultimately limited by losses, power delivery has a remarkably similar constraint: resistance.&quot;,&quot;cta&quot;:null,&quot;showBylines&quot;:true,&quot;showDescription&quot;:true,&quot;showImage&quot;:true,&quot;size&quot;:&quot;lg&quot;,&quot;isEditorNode&quot;:true,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;Power Delivery As The Next Physics Wall In AI Datacenters&quot;,&quot;publishedBylines&quot;:[{&quot;id&quot;:124411709,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Vikram Sekar&quot;,&quot;bio&quot;:null,&quot;photo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/afc78b68-c3cf-4c29-94f3-1422781e3e92_185x185.png&quot;,&quot;is_guest&quot;:false,&quot;bestseller_tier&quot;:1000}],&quot;post_date&quot;:&quot;2026-05-06T10:57:01.301Z&quot;,&quot;cover_image&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/8586d344-7d9a-41f4-b021-174bfb275bb6_2816x1536.png&quot;,&quot;cover_image_alt&quot;:null,&quot;canonical_url&quot;:&quot;https://www.viksnewsletter.com/p/power-delivery-as-the-next-physics-wall&quot;,&quot;section_name&quot;:null,&quot;video_upload_id&quot;:null,&quot;id&quot;:196639764,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;newsletter&quot;,&quot;reaction_count&quot;:88,&quot;comment_count&quot;:0,&quot;publication_id&quot;:2065897,&quot;publication_name&quot;:&quot;Vik's Newsletter&quot;,&quot;publication_logo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9JlA!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa409d69d-ca10-4bfe-a1fc-f8d291690566_185x185.png&quot;,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;youtube_url&quot;:null,&quot;show_links&quot;:null,&quot;feed_url&quot;:null}"></div><p><span>The logical stopgap solution would be to instead put in 72 GPUs per rack, just like in the Blackwell era, and put in two such parallel racks back-to-back. This solves the scale-up interconnect problem within a rack because you only need to connect 72 GPUs in the rack just like in the Blackwell &#8220;Oberon&#8221; rack. NVIDIA can simply use existing racks and not have to worry about it. The 144 GPU implementation would then involve putting two such racks together.</span></p><p><span>The problem now is how to connect the two racks together so that they behave as if they were one rack.</span></p><p><span>While the Kyber issues were being sorted out, SemiAnalysis stated that NVIDIA considered a back-to-back configuration as shown below. Perhaps this configuration was known to their institutional clients, but a detailed check of my SemiAnalysis newsletter archives shows that this was not mentioned anywhere before &#8211; including in their Vera Rubin deep-dive. Perhaps it was not in consideration at the time of writing.</span></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!fXTX!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6efddc3c-1ec0-469e-a331-6e7c86c0a73e_1284x1114.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!fXTX!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6efddc3c-1ec0-469e-a331-6e7c86c0a73e_1284x1114.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!fXTX!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6efddc3c-1ec0-469e-a331-6e7c86c0a73e_1284x1114.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!fXTX!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6efddc3c-1ec0-469e-a331-6e7c86c0a73e_1284x1114.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!fXTX!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6efddc3c-1ec0-469e-a331-6e7c86c0a73e_1284x1114.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!fXTX!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6efddc3c-1ec0-469e-a331-6e7c86c0a73e_1284x1114.png" width="1284" height="1114" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/6efddc3c-1ec0-469e-a331-6e7c86c0a73e_1284x1114.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1114,&quot;width&quot;:1284,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!fXTX!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6efddc3c-1ec0-469e-a331-6e7c86c0a73e_1284x1114.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!fXTX!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6efddc3c-1ec0-469e-a331-6e7c86c0a73e_1284x1114.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!fXTX!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6efddc3c-1ec0-469e-a331-6e7c86c0a73e_1284x1114.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!fXTX!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6efddc3c-1ec0-469e-a331-6e7c86c0a73e_1284x1114.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p><span>Regardless, this configuration was allegedly disliked by the hyperscalers for its &#8220;odd&#8221; configuration. This argument I do buy because the data halls are not laid out to accommodate racks in any orientation. There are cable raceways, cooling, and power all laid out to accommodate racks in a particular orientation, and going back-to-back will require changing all the data hall infrastructure. If this was actually suggested by Nvidia as a configuration, no wonder hyperscalers and CSPs pushed back. SemiAnalysis stated in their tweet that this configuration was cancelled.</span></p><p><span>However that does not mean the NVL72x2 will never work, or that there aren&#8217;t other ways around current challenges. Beyond the paywall, we discuss:</span></p><ul><li><p><span>How to make the NVL72x2 work</span></p></li><li><p><span>Why CPO/NPO is the right answer for scaling to larger world size</span></p></li><li><p><span>Does this really create an opening for AMD and Google?</span></p></li></ul><div><hr></div>
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   ]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Qualcomm's High Bandwidth Compute and the Packaging Problem It Moved]]></title><description><![CDATA[HBC stacking DRAM on the compute die increases memory bandwidth and skips CoWoS. The packaging problem does not go away, it shifts to 3D.]]></description><link>https://www.viksnewsletter.com/p/qualcomms-high-bandwidth-compute</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.viksnewsletter.com/p/qualcomms-high-bandwidth-compute</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Vikram Sekar]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2026 17:27:42 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!sS6U!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F22e84f67-1417-4096-b0f1-a4e71ed1ac24_1704x577.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span>At its 2026 Investor Day, Qualcomm introduced High Bandwidth Compute (HBC), which is DRAM stacked on top of a logic die with a dense interface that gives high bandwidth between the two. It lays the foundation for Qualcomm&#8217;s route into the data center using a memory architecture that does not use the traditional HBM+CoWoS approach.</span></p><p><span>HBC is a platform technology, the foundation Qualcomm means to run through every business unit and not only the data center, and the whole thing rests on one move in packaging: it does not remove the hard part, it shifts it from the advanced substrate bracket (CoWoS) to a stacked-die approach that brings its own complexities.</span></p><p><span>Contents:</span></p><ul><li><p><span>HBC as the Unit of AI Intelligence</span></p></li><li><p><span>Memory-on-Logic Packaging as a Key Risk Factor</span></p></li><li><p><span>Logic Die Function in HBM versus HBC</span></p></li><li><p><span>The Power Budget Under the Stack</span></p></li><li><p><span>Who Builds the HBC Stack</span></p></li><li><p><span>What to Watch For</span></p></li></ul><p><em><span>Disclaimer: I am an ex-Qualcomm employee but hold no MNPI regarding their line of datacenter products. I worked as an RF engineer dealing with transistor devices &#8211; far from the sexy world of AI. The facts in this article are from public sources, and include my own inferences. I currently do not hold any QCOM stock. Not financial advice. Do your own research.</span></em></p><div><hr></div><p><em>By reading this post, you agree to the <a href="https://www.viksnewsletter.com/p/terms-and-conditions">terms and conditions</a>. 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This article will be available for paid digital download shortly after publication.</em></p><p><em>If you would like to engage boutique research services for your project, reach out to us.</em></p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.semiexponent.com/&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Contact SemiExponent&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.semiexponent.com/"><span>Contact SemiExponent</span></a></p><div><hr></div><h3><span>HBC as the Unit of AI Intelligence</span></h3><p><span>The figure shows a standard packaging substrate with an System-on-Chip (SoC) and an low-power DDR (LPDDR) memory stack sitting on top of an XPU. At first glance it looks like an XPU next to HBM, but it is not that. The DRAM is stacked on the XPU, the die that runs the matrix multiplications, and the SoC beside it is a separate chip whose identity changes with the end market.</span></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!sS6U!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F22e84f67-1417-4096-b0f1-a4e71ed1ac24_1704x577.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!sS6U!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F22e84f67-1417-4096-b0f1-a4e71ed1ac24_1704x577.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!sS6U!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F22e84f67-1417-4096-b0f1-a4e71ed1ac24_1704x577.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!sS6U!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F22e84f67-1417-4096-b0f1-a4e71ed1ac24_1704x577.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!sS6U!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F22e84f67-1417-4096-b0f1-a4e71ed1ac24_1704x577.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!sS6U!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F22e84f67-1417-4096-b0f1-a4e71ed1ac24_1704x577.png" width="1456" height="493" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/22e84f67-1417-4096-b0f1-a4e71ed1ac24_1704x577.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:493,&quot;width&quot;:1456,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!sS6U!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F22e84f67-1417-4096-b0f1-a4e71ed1ac24_1704x577.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!sS6U!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F22e84f67-1417-4096-b0f1-a4e71ed1ac24_1704x577.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!sS6U!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F22e84f67-1417-4096-b0f1-a4e71ed1ac24_1704x577.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!sS6U!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F22e84f67-1417-4096-b0f1-a4e71ed1ac24_1704x577.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p><span>That second chip is the part Qualcomm has always built. It has been a modem, an automotive ADAS processor, an IoT SOC, and even a robotics chip. The XPU with the DRAM on top is the new part that provides Qualcomm with an AI accelerator. The main idea behind HBC for Qualcomm is for it to serve as the unit of intelligence, and pairing it with one of Qualcomm&#8217;s business-unit SoCs is what makes that line AI-enabled. As such, its applicability and importance extends to its entire business.</span></p><h3><span>Memory-on-Logic Packaging as a Key Risk Factor</span></h3><p><span>Qualcomm&#8217;s claim is that HBC removes the need for advanced packaging, whose supply chains are hard to get hold of right now, and that HBC therefore runs on standard packaging substrates, which are cheaper, more available, and easier to integrate on. HBC does avoid the 2.5D interposer that an XPU-plus-HBM design needs, and the gains it buys are real.</span></p><p><span>Stacking the memory on the logic die swaps the HBM path, a high-speed interface running along the die edge and out through an interposer, for short vertical links through the die area. That lifts the connection count from about 2,048 (in HBM4) along the edge to the order of 10,000-100,000 through the area, and it brings down the energy needed to move bits by an order of magnitude.</span></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Ce3a!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe139fa30-b60b-4c5e-8446-7874cefa3548_1024x559.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Ce3a!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe139fa30-b60b-4c5e-8446-7874cefa3548_1024x559.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Ce3a!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe139fa30-b60b-4c5e-8446-7874cefa3548_1024x559.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Ce3a!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe139fa30-b60b-4c5e-8446-7874cefa3548_1024x559.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Ce3a!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe139fa30-b60b-4c5e-8446-7874cefa3548_1024x559.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Ce3a!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe139fa30-b60b-4c5e-8446-7874cefa3548_1024x559.png" width="1024" height="559" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/e139fa30-b60b-4c5e-8446-7874cefa3548_1024x559.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/6744452b-2be1-4acd-b65c-37af310d4028_1024x559.png&quot;,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:559,&quot;width&quot;:1024,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Ce3a!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe139fa30-b60b-4c5e-8446-7874cefa3548_1024x559.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Ce3a!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe139fa30-b60b-4c5e-8446-7874cefa3548_1024x559.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Ce3a!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe139fa30-b60b-4c5e-8446-7874cefa3548_1024x559.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Ce3a!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe139fa30-b60b-4c5e-8446-7874cefa3548_1024x559.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p><span>Qualcomm however glossed over the fact that packaging difficulty has not gone away. It moves from the advanced substrate (CoWoS) to 3D die-to-die stacking, which is also advanced packaging, and on a compute die, it is the harder version of it. Qualcomm is not removing the packaging step but instead trading a supply-constrained one for a harder and less proven one.</span></p><p><span>Stacking DRAM on logic is not new in itself. HBM already does it via a core logic die sitting under a stack of DRAM connected through silicon vias. HBC looks similar, but the logic die does a different job, and that difference is the whole risk.</span></p>
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   ]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[🍪 TWiC: Jalapeno, Modular, and Gatekeeping of Frontier Models]]></title><description><![CDATA[Its all about inference these days, by a long shot.]]></description><link>https://www.viksnewsletter.com/p/twic-jalapeno-modular-and-gatekeeping</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.viksnewsletter.com/p/twic-jalapeno-modular-and-gatekeeping</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Vikram Sekar]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2026 10:10:12 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!6hgP!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8e84fb19-3b3b-4fb7-8f85-b7174b48bee8_3840x2161.webp" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This week was a big one for OpenAI with ChatGPT 5.6 Sol being released, and their inference accelerator <a href="https://openai.com/index/openai-broadcom-jalapeno-inference-chip/">Jalapeno being announced</a>. Qualcomm also held its much awaited investor day ever since they refused to reveal much at Computex. Mainstream news has been all over these topics, but today&#8217;s TWiC will cover second-level implications of what these developments mean. I also have a deeper post on Qualcomm hardware in the works.</p><p>Here&#8217;s what you might have missed this week:</p><ul><li><p><a href="https://www.viksnewsletter.com/p/what-ai-inference-actually-demands">What AI Inference Actually Demands from a NAND SSD</a></p></li></ul><p>I was traveling in the UK last week, and Austin was in NYC for Qualcomm&#8217;s event. We got to recording the podcast later than usual this week, but our entire breakdown of the Qualcomm investor event should be out on the podcast soon.</p><p>Reminder that you can keep up with the daily news on the <a href="https://www.semidoped.com/">Semi Doped Substack</a>, for free.</p><p>Now, on to the news.</p><div><hr></div><h4><em><strong>This edition of TWiC is presented by &#8230; SambaNova</strong></em></h4><blockquote><p><em><strong>Run frontier models. Skip the GPU rack.</strong></em></p></blockquote><p><em><span>SambaCloud runs MiniMax M2.7, the fastest provider for this model, at 435 tokens per second via API. M2.7 ranks alongside Claude Opus 4.6 and GPT-5.4 on agentic and software engineering tasks, </span><strong>at a fraction of the cost</strong><span>. No hardware procurement, no lead time, no sharding across hundreds of GPUs.</span></em></p><p><em>Texas Advanced Computing Center, OVH Cloud, and Hume.ai are already on the platform. If you&#8217;re running long-horizon agent workflows in production, M2.7 is available today on SambaCloud&#8217;s Developer and Enterprise tiers. Benchmark your workload against your current provider in an afternoon.</em></p><p><span>&#128073;&#127997; </span><a href="https://fandf.co/4xgAL06">Start benchmarking today</a><span>. </span></p><p><span>(I tried it for free, and its always using something while knowing what the </span><a href="https://open.substack.com/pub/viksnewsletter/p/inside-sambanovas-inference-architecture?r=222kot&amp;utm_campaign=post-expanded-share&amp;utm_medium=web"><span>hardware behind it looks like</span></a><span>).</span></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!tfSM!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5acd85f7-7c94-42ab-917a-6fbea37d37c7_1890x1063.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!tfSM!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5acd85f7-7c94-42ab-917a-6fbea37d37c7_1890x1063.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!tfSM!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5acd85f7-7c94-42ab-917a-6fbea37d37c7_1890x1063.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!tfSM!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5acd85f7-7c94-42ab-917a-6fbea37d37c7_1890x1063.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!tfSM!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5acd85f7-7c94-42ab-917a-6fbea37d37c7_1890x1063.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!tfSM!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5acd85f7-7c94-42ab-917a-6fbea37d37c7_1890x1063.png" width="1456" height="819" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/5acd85f7-7c94-42ab-917a-6fbea37d37c7_1890x1063.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:819,&quot;width&quot;:1456,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!tfSM!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5acd85f7-7c94-42ab-917a-6fbea37d37c7_1890x1063.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!tfSM!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5acd85f7-7c94-42ab-917a-6fbea37d37c7_1890x1063.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!tfSM!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5acd85f7-7c94-42ab-917a-6fbea37d37c7_1890x1063.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!tfSM!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5acd85f7-7c94-42ab-917a-6fbea37d37c7_1890x1063.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><div><hr></div><h3>OpenAI&#8217;s Jalapeno shows that ASIC design is commoditized</h3><p>There has been a lot of generic coverage about the fact that OpenAI has their own chips, but I want to point out one thing: this chip was made with Broadcom doing the ASIC design from start to finish in 9 months. That means one of two things: (a) Broadcom&#8217;s silicon prowess is what Hock says it is &#8212; amazing, or (b) ASIC design has become a commodity business, with no moat after all.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!6hgP!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8e84fb19-3b3b-4fb7-8f85-b7174b48bee8_3840x2161.webp" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!6hgP!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8e84fb19-3b3b-4fb7-8f85-b7174b48bee8_3840x2161.webp 424w, 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data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/8e84fb19-3b3b-4fb7-8f85-b7174b48bee8_3840x2161.webp&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:819,&quot;width&quot;:1456,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;OpenAI and Broadcom leaders display the Jalape&#241;o inference chip.&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="OpenAI and Broadcom leaders display the Jalape&#241;o inference chip." title="OpenAI and Broadcom leaders display the Jalape&#241;o inference chip." 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stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>I am willing to bet on the latter. The process of wafer fab and packaging usually takes about 3-4 months from start to finish. If you can one-shot a cutting edge inference chip in a mere 5-6 months, it shows that its probably easier to make than most people think.</p><p>I have personally never done ASIC design so take my words with a grain of salt, and feel free to correct me. But I do know that engineers working on that largely deal with software only. Coupled with the fact that AI-enabled design flows are now being pushed by every major EDA company, maybe chip design is getting commoditized after all &#8212; the press release does say &#8220;accelerated by OpenAI models.&#8221; But, not all kinds of chip design are easy: optics, power, analog, and anything that does not rely on digital transistors turning on and off, are still challenging to make and require specialized expertise. CPU design is still challenging perhaps &#8212; I don&#8217;t hear of anybody doing that in 9 months. Just some observations.</p><div><hr></div><h3>What does Modular bring to the table for Qualcomm?</h3><p>Qualcomm recently announced that they will be acquiring Modular in their recent Investor day. But why is a company like Qualcomm buying a software platform like Modular?</p><p>Qualcomm is betting on disaggregated inference, which means that the future of AI involves a mix and match of hardware, each suited to the best function and workload. Imagine that you can get a DragonFly rack from Qualcomm, a low latency inference rack of LPUs from Nvidia, and a CPU rack from AMD. How do you ensure that they all work together? </p><p>This is what Modular brings to the table. One software platform for different kinds of hardware. To work with the Modular layer means that the software stack is written with Mojo. If NVIDIA CUDA is like Apple&#8217;s iOS, then Mojo is like Android. No need for specialized hardware tied to the software, but instead work with every hardware provider possible. These kernels written up with Mojo is then served with MAX on your own cloud platform, or you could use Modular&#8217;s.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!MCdK!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F629d1487-54e3-4813-b8c3-2cda3bb7a1e7_628x415.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!MCdK!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F629d1487-54e3-4813-b8c3-2cda3bb7a1e7_628x415.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!MCdK!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F629d1487-54e3-4813-b8c3-2cda3bb7a1e7_628x415.png 848w, 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stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Source: Modular</figcaption></figure></div><p>But if Modular is owned by Qualcomm, how does a purchaser of a Qualcomm DragonFly rack deploy actual services? Do they pay Qualcomm a royalty fee for the software layer? Are they even willing to adopt the &#8220;Android of AI Inference&#8221; in order to deploy Qualcomm racks? A lot of these questions remain and remains unclear until the hardware actually lands.</p><div><hr></div><h3>The Gatekeeping of Frontier Intelligence Models</h3><p>ChatGPT 5.6 &#8220;Sol&#8221; was released this week, and the full capabilities of the model are only available to a select few. The Trump Administration has &#8220;requested&#8221; a staggered roll out, ask that it approve its use on a case-by-case basis, as reported by The Information. This is a much more favorable deal for OpenAI than what Anthropic got even with its nerfed Fable model. Mythos was never meant for public consumption from the get go.</p><p>Gatekeeping frontier intelligence models creates an opposing tension; on one hand, it creates a layer of resistance to monetize the newly trained model in an AI token factory, but on the other, the industry does not have enough compute to serve frontier intelligence at scale. The path to usefulness of AGI is always limited by how many chips we can actually make. These opposing tensions place frontier models in a neutral equilibrium: a restricted user base on a finite supply of compute.</p><p>This disturbing trend of AI governance opens the door to many future questions:</p><ul><li><p>Would OpenAI or Anthropic dedicate enough resources to develop the next frontier model knowing <em>a-priori</em> that its full capabilities are going to be restrained?</p></li><li><p>Who decides who gets to use cutting edge models, and does that give them an unfair advantage over competitors?</p></li><li><p>If model releases depend on the benevolence of political leaders, what levels of quid-pro-quo can we expect to see between Silicon Valley and the White House?</p></li></ul><p>Model scaling laws still hold: adding more compute to training a model creates better models, but human laws are a limiter. The imperative now shifts to model labs to instead continue to monetize via AI inference where the real economic value lies. The bodes well for the smorgasbord of interference accelerator companies who rely on interference to be the main driver of silicon demand. Today, NVIDIA is the dominant provider of training chips, and a slow down in frontier model progress due to governance will also slow down the consumption related training hardware. </p><div><hr></div><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.viksnewsletter.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">Vik's Newsletter is a reader-supported publication. 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Number of cell levels, block sizes, and data placements all matter, and some SSD flash makers are actually getting it right.]]></description><link>https://www.viksnewsletter.com/p/what-ai-inference-actually-demands</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.viksnewsletter.com/p/what-ai-inference-actually-demands</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Vikram Sekar]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2026 10:10:53 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/4847c1d6-12c2-4252-8333-dda1c06239ff_708x488.jpeg" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span>Earlier, we have covered NAND as a storage tier, and what its importance is in an AI datacenter. It was a broad post introducing various technologies in use for those not familiar with storage technologies. You can read that below as a precursor to this article.</span></p><div class="digest-post-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;nodeId&quot;:&quot;55bad5ab-ec6a-43f6-944e-0b36f31c140d&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;Welcome to a &#128274; subscriber-only deep-dive edition &#128274; of my weekly newsletter. Each week, I help investors, professionals and students stay up-to-date on complex topics, and navigate the semiconductor industry.&quot;,&quot;cta&quot;:null,&quot;showBylines&quot;:true,&quot;showDescription&quot;:true,&quot;showImage&quot;:true,&quot;size&quot;:&quot;sm&quot;,&quot;isEditorNode&quot;:true,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;Role of Storage in AI, Primer on NAND Flash, and Deep-Dive into QLC SSDs&quot;,&quot;publishedBylines&quot;:[{&quot;id&quot;:124411709,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Vikram Sekar&quot;,&quot;bio&quot;:null,&quot;photo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/afc78b68-c3cf-4c29-94f3-1422781e3e92_185x185.png&quot;,&quot;is_guest&quot;:false,&quot;bestseller_tier&quot;:1000}],&quot;post_date&quot;:&quot;2025-10-19T18:29:19.395Z&quot;,&quot;cover_image&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/77b0e7d9-0b17-4be3-a282-9c92876c64a2_1456x1048.png&quot;,&quot;cover_image_alt&quot;:null,&quot;canonical_url&quot;:&quot;https://www.viksnewsletter.com/p/role-of-storage-in-ai-primer-on-nand&quot;,&quot;section_name&quot;:null,&quot;video_upload_id&quot;:null,&quot;id&quot;:176483956,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;newsletter&quot;,&quot;reaction_count&quot;:51,&quot;comment_count&quot;:2,&quot;publication_id&quot;:2065897,&quot;publication_name&quot;:&quot;Vik's Newsletter&quot;,&quot;publication_logo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9JlA!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa409d69d-ca10-4bfe-a1fc-f8d291690566_185x185.png&quot;,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:false,&quot;youtube_url&quot;:null,&quot;show_links&quot;:null,&quot;feed_url&quot;:null}"></div><p><span>However, at the recent Computex event, I had an interesting chat with some investors who were interested in knowing if SLC NAND was making a comeback because write endurance of TLC/QLC NAND was worse, even if it had more capacity. The answer to this is nuanced because it is no longer sufficient to think of NAND as a single tier, but instead how NAND is starting to split into multiple sub-tiers based on its place within the memory hierarchy, each with its mix-and-match of technologies.</span></p><p><span>The broader question that it encompasses is what the performance expectations of NAND in these newly forming performance tiers are, and more importantly what products from which companies are well positioned to capture the upside.</span></p><p><span>In this post, we will explore how NAND SSDs fit into context memory storage (or CMX, as NVIDIA calls it), and look at which SSD vendors are best positioned to serve this market.</span></p><p><span>Here is what we will cover:</span></p><ul><li><p><span>Why NAND SSDs are a viable option for AI inference</span></p></li><li><p><span>Tuning SSD Performance for Memory or Storage</span></p></li><li><p><span>CMX-Specific SSD Optimizations</span></p></li><li><p><span>I/O size and the indirection unit (IU)</span></p></li><li><p><span>Asymmetric read/write bandwidth</span></p></li><li><p><span>Write Amplification and FDP</span></p></li><li><p><span>NAND SSD Competitive Landscape</span></p></li></ul><div><hr></div><p><em>By reading this post, you agree to the <a href="https://www.viksnewsletter.com/p/terms-and-conditions">terms and conditions</a>. Also see the <a href="https://www.viksnewsletter.com/p/ethics">full ethics statement</a>.</em></p><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.viksnewsletter.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption"><em>For the full post, upgrade to a paid subscription</em></p></div><form class="subscription-widget-subscribe"><input type="email" class="email-input" name="email" placeholder="Type your email&#8230;" tabindex="-1"><input type="submit" class="button primary" value="Subscribe"><div class="fake-input-wrapper"><div class="fake-input"></div><div class="fake-button"></div></div></form></div></div><p><em>If you are not a paid subscriber, you can purchase just this article. This post will be updated with a direct purchase link shortly; check back on Substack. </em></p><p><em>You can find the whole catalog of articles for purchase <a href="https://www.semiexponent.com/products">at this link</a>. </em></p><p><em>If you would like to engage boutique research services for your project, reach out to us.</em></p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.semiexponent.com/&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Contact SemiExponent&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.semiexponent.com/"><span>Contact SemiExponent</span></a></p><div><hr></div><h3><span>Why NAND SSDs are a viable option for AI inference</span></h3><p><span>Relying solely on DRAM (including HBM) to hold context is becoming untenable in the agentic era of inference due to cost and capacity. As users delegate increasingly complex tasks to AI, inference is no longer a process that takes minutes; it is extending to hours and days, and if we could manage it, to weeks and months. &#8220;Hardware-utilization-factor&#8221; will become an increasingly important metric as neoclouds and hyperscalers grapple with large capital expenditure costs while trying to translate investments into revenue. Underutilization due to memory capacity constraints is an unacceptable scenario.</span></p><p><span>NAND SSDs are a viable alternative because their performance can be finely tuned to act more like memory, or more like storage, depending on the underlying technology used. What was once a means to just faster storage and an alternative to HDDs, is now becoming a memory tier that lies somewhere between storage SSDs and DRAM.</span></p><p><span>The primary function of NAND in the agentic AI era is to hold KV-cache, which can often balloon to tens of TBs over the course of a large agentic task, eliminating the possibility of storing it on any DRAM tier. During the decode step of inference, the KV-cache needs to be accessed as fast as possible to provide a high token throughput. Speed is especially important because the decode step generates one token at time due to the autoregressive nature of the transformer architecture. NAND SSDs, with the right modifications, are capable of serving as a KV-cache store while streaming data fast enough for decode to still work well.</span></p><p><span>DeepSeek v4, for example, has already made NAND a first class citizen by ensuring that context is offloaded to SSDs and cache-hits are maximized for the lowest possible token cost. It is highly likely that similar architectures will follow in other models.</span></p><p><em><span>Aside: CXL pooled DRAMs are equally viable, and some would argue a better alternative, but that&#8217;s a different post. In reality, it occupies its own tier in the memory hierarchy.</span></em></p><h3><span>Tuning SSD Performance for Memory or Storage</span></h3><p><span>The feasibility of NAND for AI inference stems from the design choices of the underlying flash cells. While </span><a href="https://www.viksnewsletter.com/p/role-of-storage-in-ai-primer-on-nand?utm_source=publication-search"><span>my original NAND article</span></a><span> covers the in-depth workings of the various types of NAND, we&#8217;ll address it briefly here, and focus more on how to slot them into different NAND performance tiers.</span></p><p><span>Flash memory essentially operates by storing or releasing charge, which represents the bit representation of 0 or a 1. An N-level NAND cell has 2^N states in which a memory cell can exist in. For a single level cell (SLC, N=1), there are just two states. For a quad-level cell (QLC, N=4), there are sixteen states. The capacity increases when more states are stored in the same cell because the cell physically does not take up any more space where it stores a 0/1 in SLC or 0000&#8212;1111 in QLC. In other words, you can store more bits in the same physical area.</span></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!EZot!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F82c7cf44-799c-47a1-8a7f-0185ff1d5d27_900x400.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!EZot!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F82c7cf44-799c-47a1-8a7f-0185ff1d5d27_900x400.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!EZot!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F82c7cf44-799c-47a1-8a7f-0185ff1d5d27_900x400.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!EZot!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F82c7cf44-799c-47a1-8a7f-0185ff1d5d27_900x400.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!EZot!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F82c7cf44-799c-47a1-8a7f-0185ff1d5d27_900x400.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!EZot!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F82c7cf44-799c-47a1-8a7f-0185ff1d5d27_900x400.png" width="900" height="400" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/82c7cf44-799c-47a1-8a7f-0185ff1d5d27_900x400.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:400,&quot;width&quot;:900,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!EZot!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F82c7cf44-799c-47a1-8a7f-0185ff1d5d27_900x400.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!EZot!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F82c7cf44-799c-47a1-8a7f-0185ff1d5d27_900x400.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!EZot!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F82c7cf44-799c-47a1-8a7f-0185ff1d5d27_900x400.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!EZot!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F82c7cf44-799c-47a1-8a7f-0185ff1d5d27_900x400.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p><span>Capacity increase comes with other trade-offs, namely endurance and speed &#8211; and both of which are tied to the number of cell states. It comes down to distinguishing between either just two cell states or sixteen, and how that can be done quickly and reliably over the life of the NAND SSD under all operating conditions it is subject to.</span></p><ul><li><p><strong><span>Endurance</span></strong><span>: Over time, the voltage levels that distinguish between the cell states start to move due to constant cell writes and temperature effects over time. It is just part of the wear and tear induced in the oxide layers within the cell when it is subject to constant use over its lifetime. For a single voltage level that distinguishes between cell states (like in SLC), the shift can be higher and we can still tell if the cell holds a zero or one. For a QLC with 16 voltage states, it becomes much harder, and guessing wrong results in a bit error. Once bit errors increase beyond a certain threshold, the NAND SSD is deemed worn out.</span></p></li><li><p><strong><span>Write Speed</span></strong><span>: Writing to a cell involves finely adjusting the voltage applied to the cell, and closely monitoring the resulting current from the underlying cell. To determine what the state of the cell is, a process called incremental step pulse programming (ISPP) is used to recursively adjust the voltage to just the right level (more in the </span><a href="https://www.viksnewsletter.com/p/role-of-storage-in-ai-primer-on-nand?utm_source=publication-search"><span>original NAND article</span></a><span>). This iterative process of adjustment affects the write speed because it takes many recursive steps to set the right voltage. With fewer cell states, the iterative process is quicker which means SLCs are faster than QLCs.</span></p></li></ul><p><span>By now it should start becoming clear how NAND SSDs can be fine-tuned for capacity and performance, at least to the first order. Use more cell states (higher level NAND) to get more capacity, but fewer cell states (lower level NAND) to get more speed/endurance. A hybrid approach is also possible: use a SLC-cache with a TLC NAND, for example, to get the best of both worlds with the right speed/endurance/capacity tradeoffs.</span></p><p><span>Next, we will discuss how NAND SSDs are better optimized for AI use-cases, and conclude with a competitive survey of the NAND landscape for agentic AI.</span></p><p><strong><span>Beyond the paywall:</span></strong></p><ul><li><p>CMX-Specific SSD Optimizations</p></li><li><p>I/O size and the indirection unit (IU)</p></li><li><p>Asymmetric read/write bandwidth</p></li><li><p>Write Amplification and FDP</p></li><li><p>NAND SSD Competitive Landscape</p></li></ul>
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   ]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[🍪 TWiC: AMD-MEXT, 200G VCSELs, INTC 🚀]]></title><description><![CDATA[Scattered thoughts across memory, optics, and business.]]></description><link>https://www.viksnewsletter.com/p/twic-amd-mext-200g-vcsels-intc</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.viksnewsletter.com/p/twic-amd-mext-200g-vcsels-intc</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Vikram Sekar]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2026 21:22:00 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9JwL!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff6770def-eae7-430f-8be2-57b8f1a25fd2_2134x1184.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am writing this update from Brighton, UK, this week and the weather has been downright amazing. Semis this week were even more so: AMD&#8217;s announcement of MEXT acquisition is bullish NAND, 200G VCSELs for scale up is making an appearance, and Intel is having a good week. </p><p>Other stuff in our universe has been centered around advanced packaging, in case you missed it.</p><div class="digest-post-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;nodeId&quot;:&quot;dc29505e-9cc5-4a0a-8428-bcc04f84343b&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;Advanced packaging has been a one-horse race. 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Sign up at <a href="https://www.semidoped.com/">semidoped.com</a>.</p><p>Now, on to the this week&#8217;s explorations on TWiC.</p><div><hr></div><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.viksnewsletter.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption"><em>News roundups are free, but deep-dives are where the real insights live. Upgrade to a paid sub and access 100+ from the archives!</em></p></div><form class="subscription-widget-subscribe"><input type="email" class="email-input" name="email" placeholder="Type your email&#8230;" tabindex="-1"><input type="submit" class="button primary" value="Subscribe"><div class="fake-input-wrapper"><div class="fake-input"></div><div class="fake-button"></div></div></form></div></div><div><hr></div><h3>How MEXT Makes Flash Work Like DRAM</h3><p>This week AMD announced that they are acquiring <a href="https://www.mext.ai/">mext.ai</a>. The chart below is unrelated to the announcement, but also highly relevant. I&#8217;ll explain why. </p><div class="twitter-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://x.com/SemiAnalysis_/status/2039870546582630470?s=20&quot;,&quot;full_text&quot;:&quot;Memory is taking over Hyperscaler CapEx.\n\nIn CY23 and CY24, memory was ~8% of total Hyperscaler spend. We estimate it hits 30% in CY26 and moves higher in CY27. That's a near-4x shift in just four years. (1/4) &#129525; &quot;,&quot;username&quot;:&quot;SemiAnalysis_&quot;,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;SemiAnalysis&quot;,&quot;profile_image_url&quot;:&quot;https://pbs.substack.com/profile_images/2062973370157694976/CdplNoi1_normal.jpg&quot;,&quot;date&quot;:&quot;2026-04-03T01:00:11.000Z&quot;,&quot;photos&quot;:[{&quot;img_url&quot;:&quot;https://pbs.substack.com/media/HE8Tc4DWAAAqh-w.jpg&quot;,&quot;link_url&quot;:&quot;https://t.co/fUxpwUYfcO&quot;}],&quot;quoted_tweet&quot;:{},&quot;reply_count&quot;:16,&quot;retweet_count&quot;:131,&quot;like_count&quot;:802,&quot;impression_count&quot;:232255,&quot;expanded_url&quot;:null,&quot;video_url&quot;:null,&quot;video_preview_media_key&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true}" data-component-name="Twitter2ToDOM"></div><p>This memory share estimate of CapEx is 36% two months ago, for 2027. Memory prices keep increasing, so let&#8217;s just round off to 40% for simplicity and assuming a $1T AI CapEx spend in 2027 because it makes math easy. That&#8217;s $400B dollars spent in just paying for memory. We had a whole episode on Semi Doped explaining why this crazy pricing is not useful to anybody. That much money can be spent on something much more useful &#8212; like trying to improve communication bottlenecks, or building better power delivery systems.</p><div id="youtube2-SbRsmWZytsw" class="youtube-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;videoId&quot;:&quot;SbRsmWZytsw&quot;,&quot;startTime&quot;:null,&quot;endTime&quot;:null}" data-component-name="Youtube2ToDOM"><div class="youtube-inner"><iframe src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/SbRsmWZytsw?rel=0&amp;autoplay=0&amp;showinfo=0&amp;enablejsapi=0" frameborder="0" loading="lazy" gesture="media" allow="autoplay; fullscreen" allowautoplay="true" allowfullscreen="true" width="728" height="409"></iframe></div></div><p>Any CFO worth their salt will try to reduce this spend by asking &#8220;Do you really use all that memory we pay for?&#8221; MEXT&#8217;s solution what is meant to answer this question.</p><p>MEXT is a software company that helps you deal with storage more effectively, whether it is DRAM or NAND. <strong>Their key insight is this: not everything is DRAM is immediately useful &#8212; some stuff is hot, some stuff goes cold</strong>. Then the sensible thing to do is to <mark data-color="#cfe2f3" style="background-color: rgb(207, 226, 243); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">boot the cold data from DRAM to NAND flash</mark> which has much more storage capacity. Next, they predict using &#8220;AI&#8221; (it&#8217;s like AI ouroboros here) what needs to be in DRAM, and do the reverse as well &#8212; <mark data-color="#cfe2f3" style="background-color: rgb(207, 226, 243); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">load data from NAND to DRAM before the compute asks for it</mark>. It&#8217;s the memory management method that sweeps data under the rug, and pulls out only what is needed at the right time.</p><p>NAND is much slower than DRAM, but when used together in a form of deliberate data dance, it becomes very effective. These kinds of storage optimizations are essentially bullish for NAND. This bottom line is: (a) Hardware builders cannot go on indefinitely adding DRAM without asking if we are using it effectively, (b) Memory companies cannot raise prices indefinitely without the industry trying to find ways around it, and (c) We will see the emergence of a lot more of software level optimizations like this in the future that will help with memory management in a clever manner.</p><h3>PicoJool and VCSELs for AI Scale Up</h3><p>This week a startup called <a href="https://picojool.com/">PicoJool</a> announced that they are <a href="https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20260615089975/en/PicoJool-Introduces-200G-VCSELs-and-MicroVCSELs-for-Scale-Up-AI-Data-Centers">introducing 200G VCSEL lasers</a> for AI scale up. VCSELs have been famously difficult to make work beyond 100G due to modulation bandwidth limitations in the electrical-optical conversion. In simple terms, a high bandwidth means that the optical signal changes fast enough to track the changes in electrical signals.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!XmVV!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F55410428-07ef-4df6-b116-24c49613ed4f_1150x886.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!XmVV!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F55410428-07ef-4df6-b116-24c49613ed4f_1150x886.png 424w, 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class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Source: <span data-color="rgb(34, 34, 34)" style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34);">Cheng, H.-T., Yang, Y.-C., Liu, T.-H., &amp; Wu, C.-H. (2022). Recent Advances in 850 nm VCSELs for High-Speed Interconnects. </span><em>Photonics</em><span data-color="rgb(34, 34, 34)" style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34);">, </span><em>9</em><span data-color="rgb(34, 34, 34)" style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34);">(2), 107. https://doi.org/10.3390/photonics9020107</span></figcaption></figure></div><p>The chart above is from a <a href="https://www.mdpi.com/2304-6732/9/2/107">2022 paper</a> showing the modulation bandwidths of 850nm VCSELs. As you can see, VCSELs have been continuously getting faster, and capable of supporting higher modulation bandwidths. PicoJool&#8217;s stated bandwidth is better than anything on this chart &#8212; at nearly ~38 GHz. Their measurement is shown below.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!RXsI!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8df0bb27-437b-43fb-9b6d-3572e909142c_1646x1104.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!RXsI!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8df0bb27-437b-43fb-9b6d-3572e909142c_1646x1104.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!RXsI!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8df0bb27-437b-43fb-9b6d-3572e909142c_1646x1104.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!RXsI!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8df0bb27-437b-43fb-9b6d-3572e909142c_1646x1104.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!RXsI!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8df0bb27-437b-43fb-9b6d-3572e909142c_1646x1104.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!RXsI!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8df0bb27-437b-43fb-9b6d-3572e909142c_1646x1104.png" width="1456" height="977" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/8df0bb27-437b-43fb-9b6d-3572e909142c_1646x1104.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:977,&quot;width&quot;:1456,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:588772,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/png&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://www.viksnewsletter.com/i/202562156?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8df0bb27-437b-43fb-9b6d-3572e909142c_1646x1104.png&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!RXsI!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8df0bb27-437b-43fb-9b6d-3572e909142c_1646x1104.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!RXsI!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8df0bb27-437b-43fb-9b6d-3572e909142c_1646x1104.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!RXsI!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8df0bb27-437b-43fb-9b6d-3572e909142c_1646x1104.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!RXsI!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8df0bb27-437b-43fb-9b6d-3572e909142c_1646x1104.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Source: PicoJool</figcaption></figure></div><p>The way to read this is to think of a continuously varying RF signal being input to the electrical-control of the VCSEL. At say 10 GHz, there is little loss from the conversion to optical &#8212; ie, the S21 (transmission scattering parameter) is 0 dB. That means just rapidly changing the electrical input doesn&#8217;t make the VCSEL light any dimmer. At ~38 GHz, the signal is so fast that only half the optical power is produced at the output. Beyond this speed, most of the energy is lost in the conversion because the VCSEL can&#8217;t keep up. At this point the link budget gets worse, and errors rates go up for a given reach.</p><p><mark data-color="#cfe2f3" style="background-color: rgb(207, 226, 243); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">The big thing about using VCSELs is that they are made from the widely available Gallium-Arsenide (GaAs), as opposed to the much sought after InP</mark>, and GaAs for scale up has a big impact on TAM of InP lasers should this technology actually work out (yet to be proven). However, note that not all VCSELs are Indium free. The quantum well could be engineered with GaAs/InGaAs too. It really depends on the laser implementation &#8212; so be sure to ask for device details before jumping into supply chain calculations.</p><p>One objection that people have around VCSELs is that they are not reliable. The degradation often comes from the oxidation of aluminum in the quantum junction (it is actually not purely GaAs &#8212; it is a mix of GaAs and AlGaAs). However, if you switch to 980nm/1060nm VCSELs (like Lumentum is doing), then the bandgap for that laser wavelength does not require aluminum &#8212; which inherently eliminates one major source of failure. The elimination of aluminum also helps with defect propagation, but we won&#8217;t get into that here.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9JwL!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff6770def-eae7-430f-8be2-57b8f1a25fd2_2134x1184.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9JwL!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff6770def-eae7-430f-8be2-57b8f1a25fd2_2134x1184.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9JwL!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff6770def-eae7-430f-8be2-57b8f1a25fd2_2134x1184.png 848w, 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stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Source: Trumpf</figcaption></figure></div><p>There are a lot of different aspects to whether VCSELs will ultimately become feasible. It is interesting to follow the developments here.</p><h3>Intel had a Very Good Thursday</h3><p><span class="cashtag-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;symbol&quot;:&quot;INTC&quot;}" data-component-name="CashtagToDOM"></span>  Stock is up 10% into new all time highs. It&#8217;s mainly because of the news below, and also the fact that they hired Seok-Hee Lee, an SK Hynix veteran, who was ex-Intel incidentally, to lead advanced packaging and back-end engineering.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!-guf!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff50f49ac-80b2-4dae-ada4-bcab08039d68_1818x614.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!-guf!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff50f49ac-80b2-4dae-ada4-bcab08039d68_1818x614.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!-guf!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff50f49ac-80b2-4dae-ada4-bcab08039d68_1818x614.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!-guf!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff50f49ac-80b2-4dae-ada4-bcab08039d68_1818x614.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!-guf!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff50f49ac-80b2-4dae-ada4-bcab08039d68_1818x614.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!-guf!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff50f49ac-80b2-4dae-ada4-bcab08039d68_1818x614.png" width="489" height="165.23901098901098" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/f50f49ac-80b2-4dae-ada4-bcab08039d68_1818x614.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:492,&quot;width&quot;:1456,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:489,&quot;bytes&quot;:132133,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/png&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://www.viksnewsletter.com/i/202562156?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff50f49ac-80b2-4dae-ada4-bcab08039d68_1818x614.png&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" title="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!-guf!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff50f49ac-80b2-4dae-ada4-bcab08039d68_1818x614.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!-guf!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff50f49ac-80b2-4dae-ada4-bcab08039d68_1818x614.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!-guf!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff50f49ac-80b2-4dae-ada4-bcab08039d68_1818x614.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!-guf!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff50f49ac-80b2-4dae-ada4-bcab08039d68_1818x614.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Via <a href="https://www.cnbc.com/2026/06/18/trump-intel-apple-chip-design-deal.html">CNBC</a>.</figcaption></figure></div><p>This is a major turnaround since Intel famously refused to manufacture iPhones for Apple because they didn&#8217;t think the market would be big enough. This primarily led Intel to miss the wireless boom, and handed over the keys to the mobile chips kingdom to TSMC. </p><p>Apple and TSMC have since built a massive business due to a long term partnership, where the business from just Apple alone was so much that it has made TSMC into what they are today. Apple going to Intel again for chips is opportunity knocking twice, at a time where Intel Foundry needs volume to pick up its foundry business whose near-death experience had many worried. TSMC&#8217;s capacity issues are now blowing fair winds Intel&#8217;s way again, and it&#8217;s time for Intel to orient their sails just right this time.</p><div><hr></div><div class="captioned-button-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.viksnewsletter.com/p/twic-amd-mext-200g-vcsels-intc?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Share&quot;}" data-component-name="CaptionedButtonToDOM"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption"><em>This post is public so feel free to share it.</em></p></div><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.viksnewsletter.com/p/twic-amd-mext-200g-vcsels-intc?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Share&quot;}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.viksnewsletter.com/p/twic-amd-mext-200g-vcsels-intc?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share"><span>Share</span></a></p></div><p></p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Battle for Advanced Packaging: TSMC Monopoly, Intel Challenge, and Amkor Arms-Dealing]]></title><description><![CDATA[Intel&#8217;s advanced packaging business is now a credible source of supply for the AI accelerator industry, while TSMC keeps ramping. Amkor plays both sides.]]></description><link>https://www.viksnewsletter.com/p/battle-for-advanced-packaging-tsmc-intel-amkor</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.viksnewsletter.com/p/battle-for-advanced-packaging-tsmc-intel-amkor</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Vikram Sekar]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2026 06:42:35 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!YJXW!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F677cdbbc-80dd-4adc-9294-d68669eac55c_1432x1098.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span>Advanced packaging has been a one-horse race. Every leading-edge AI accelerator worth talking about gets its logic married to HBM on TSMC&#8217;s CoWoS, and for three years TSMC has had that socket entirely to itself.</span></p><p><span>According to a</span><a href="https://www.trendforce.com/news/2026/06/15/news-tsmc-cowos-supply-demand-gap-reportedly-seen-narrowing-from-20-to-10-by-end-2026-as-capacity-expands/#:~:text=The%20report%20estimates%20that%20TSMC's,approach%20200%2C000%20wafers%20per%20month."><span> </span><span data-color="rgb(17, 85, 204)" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">recent TrendForce estimate</span></a><span>, the industry&#8217;s CoWoS capacity could reach 200k wafers-per-month (wpm), with TSMC running ~120k wpm by the end of 2026, while ASE and Amkor get a seat at the table only as overflow, soaking up something like ~80k wpm. TSMC has been rapidly building out capacity to support CoWoS demand. Most of the big GPU chips are packaged by TSMC, while simpler flows like Vera CPUs and automotive parts overflow to Amkor/ASE facilities.</span></p><p><span>Intel&#8217;s EMIB is the first credible second source to show up with real orders behind it. AWS and Cisco are already shipping external silicon on EMIB. SpaceX and Tesla signed on around the Q1 2026 earnings call as partners in Intel&#8217;s Terafab project. Google&#8217;s TPU v8e is reported to land on EMIB in the second half of 2027, with Apple, Microsoft, and NVIDIA sitting in the talks pile.  CFO David Zinsner moved Intel&#8217;s external advanced-packaging outlook from a few hundred million to north of a billion dollars across the last two calls, and told CNBC he expects billions of dollars per customer. For a business that small, packaging alone going past a billion is a step change.</span></p><p><span>However, as orders flow to Intel, TSMC is continuously expanding CoWoS capacity. The increasing sizes of advanced packages for AI accelerators puts the two competitors at a crossroads again -- and this time the outcome will be decided based on what happens in the next few years as the industry moves to adopt glass core substrates.</span></p><p><strong><span>Contents</span></strong><span>:</span></p><ol><li><p><strong>EMIB Comes for the CoWoS Monopoly</strong> &#8212; the three-year packaging monopoly, and the orders that are breaking it.</p></li><li><p><strong>Deeply Understanding CoWoS-L vs EMIB</strong> &#8212; the three CoWoS flavors, and how Intel&#8217;s bridge differs from TSMC&#8217;s.</p></li><li><p><strong>Where the Size Limitations Lie</strong> &#8212; the round-wafer-versus-panel math that caps CoWoS-L and frees EMIB.</p></li><li><p><strong>The Convergence on Glass Core Panels</strong> &#8212; why warpage and CTE force both foundries onto glass.</p></li><li><p><strong>Where This Leaves Investors</strong> &#8212; the winners and losers, and the OSATs that win either way.</p></li><li><p><strong>The Taiwanese Glass Partner Already Inside TSMC&#8217;s CoPoS</strong> &#8212; the name the glass maps miss.</p></li></ol><div><hr></div><p><em>By reading this post, you agree to the <a href="https://www.viksnewsletter.com/p/terms-and-conditions">terms and conditions</a>. Also see the <a href="https://www.viksnewsletter.com/p/ethics">full ethics statement</a>.</em></p><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.viksnewsletter.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption"><em>For the full post, upgrade to a paid subscription</em></p></div><form class="subscription-widget-subscribe"><input type="email" class="email-input" name="email" placeholder="Type your email&#8230;" tabindex="-1"><input type="submit" class="button primary" value="Subscribe"><div class="fake-input-wrapper"><div class="fake-input"></div><div class="fake-button"></div></div></form></div></div><p><em>If you are not a paid subscriber, you can purchase just this article using the button below. You can find the whole catalog of articles for purchase <a href="https://www.semiexponent.com/products">at this link</a>.</em></p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.semiexponent.com/battle-for-advanced-packaging-tsmc-monopoly-intel-challenge-and-amkor-arms-dealing&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Buy the ebook&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.semiexponent.com/battle-for-advanced-packaging-tsmc-monopoly-intel-challenge-and-amkor-arms-dealing"><span>Buy the ebook</span></a></p><p><em>If you would like to engage boutique research services for your project, reach out to us.</em></p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.semiexponent.com/&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Contact SemiExponent&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.semiexponent.com/"><span>Contact SemiExponent</span></a></p><div><hr></div><h3><span>Deeply Understanding CoWoS-L vs EMIB</span></h3><p><span>Many comparisons online of CoWoS to EMIB are not precise about the exact flavors of each technology, and opens doors to misinterpretation. We&#8217;ll clarify that aspect first.</span></p><ul><li><p><span>CoWoS-S is the original, a single monolithic silicon interposer. It gets really large and expensive beyond a certain size. TSMC&#8217;s limit is about 3.3x reticle size (or 2,380 mm</span><sup><span>2</span></sup><span>).</span></p></li><li><p><span>CoWoS-R swaps that silicon interposer for a cheaper organic RDL one, which is what AWS uses for Trainium 2/3 chips. They do not have the interconnect density of silicon interposers, and are rather limited in size too.</span></p></li><li><p><span>The variant carrying the biggest AI packages today, the Blackwells and the Rubins, is CoWoS-L, which scales to 5.5x reticle size (or 4,720 mm</span><sup><span>2</span></sup><span>) today, with plans to expand to 9.5x reticle size (or 8,150 mm</span><sup><span>2</span></sup><span>) in 2027. TSMC&#8217;s roadmap extends to 14x reticle size (or 12,000 mm</span><sup><span>2</span></sup><span>) by 2029.</span></p></li></ul><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!-TUK!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F75887be1-057b-4ebb-ac3c-602a0b2252fc_1920x1080.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!-TUK!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F75887be1-057b-4ebb-ac3c-602a0b2252fc_1920x1080.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!-TUK!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F75887be1-057b-4ebb-ac3c-602a0b2252fc_1920x1080.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!-TUK!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F75887be1-057b-4ebb-ac3c-602a0b2252fc_1920x1080.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!-TUK!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F75887be1-057b-4ebb-ac3c-602a0b2252fc_1920x1080.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!-TUK!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F75887be1-057b-4ebb-ac3c-602a0b2252fc_1920x1080.jpeg" width="1456" height="819" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/75887be1-057b-4ebb-ac3c-602a0b2252fc_1920x1080.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:819,&quot;width&quot;:1456,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!-TUK!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F75887be1-057b-4ebb-ac3c-602a0b2252fc_1920x1080.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!-TUK!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F75887be1-057b-4ebb-ac3c-602a0b2252fc_1920x1080.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!-TUK!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F75887be1-057b-4ebb-ac3c-602a0b2252fc_1920x1080.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!-TUK!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F75887be1-057b-4ebb-ac3c-602a0b2252fc_1920x1080.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><span>Source: TSMC</span></figcaption></figure></div><p><span>Both TSMC&#8217;s CoWoS-L and Intel&#8217;s EMIB are built on the same idea of giving up a full silicon interposer for silicon bridges only where you need fine pitch wiring, such as die-to-die and die-to-HBM, and use cheaper routing for everything else.</span></p><ul><li><p><span>TSMC calls its bridge an LSI (local silicon interconnect, and hence the &#8216;L&#8217;) and embeds it in an Re-Distribution Layer (RDL) interposer.</span></p></li><li><p><span>Intel calls its bridge EMIB (embedded multi-die interconnect bridge) and embeds it straight into the organic package substrate.</span></p></li></ul><p><span>Note the difference in where the bridges live. CoWoS-L&#8217;s RDL interposer is built on a wafer, so it stays bound to the 300mm wafer and the reticle limit (the whole reason CoPoS and glass panels are coming). EMIB embeds its bridges in the organic substrate with no wafer carrier, so it clears the wafer-size wall, and scales to bigger interposers due to the use of rectangular panels.</span></p><p><span>Here is Intel&#8217;s EMIB roadmap in terms of size.</span></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!L5sG!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F015a65f3-9412-4f54-9287-28a06dfbf36a_400x173.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!L5sG!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F015a65f3-9412-4f54-9287-28a06dfbf36a_400x173.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!L5sG!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F015a65f3-9412-4f54-9287-28a06dfbf36a_400x173.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!L5sG!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F015a65f3-9412-4f54-9287-28a06dfbf36a_400x173.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!L5sG!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F015a65f3-9412-4f54-9287-28a06dfbf36a_400x173.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!L5sG!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F015a65f3-9412-4f54-9287-28a06dfbf36a_400x173.png" width="400" height="173" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/015a65f3-9412-4f54-9287-28a06dfbf36a_400x173.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:173,&quot;width&quot;:400,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!L5sG!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F015a65f3-9412-4f54-9287-28a06dfbf36a_400x173.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!L5sG!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F015a65f3-9412-4f54-9287-28a06dfbf36a_400x173.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!L5sG!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F015a65f3-9412-4f54-9287-28a06dfbf36a_400x173.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!L5sG!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F015a65f3-9412-4f54-9287-28a06dfbf36a_400x173.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><span>Source: Intel</span></figcaption></figure></div><p><span>Today, Intel&#8217;s EMIB holds a size advantage by being able to deliver on 8x reticle size (or 6,860 mm</span><sup><span>2</span></sup><span>), which is ahead of TSMC&#8217;s 5.5x capability, due to the choice of rectangular formats for organic substrates rather than RDL interposers on round wafers. Intel promises 12x by 2028 as opposed to TSMC&#8217;s 14x, but we&#8217;ll have to wait and see who actually delivers, and at what reticle-size multiple.</span></p><p><span>Meanwhile, we can try and guess.</span></p><h3><span>Where the Size Limitations Lie</span></h3><p><span>CoWoS-L runs into a size ceiling that comes straight from the round wafer it is built on. The LSI bridges are embedded into RDL, but the RDL itself is fabricated on a 300mm silicon wafer and then mounted on an organic package substrate. While the bridges themselves are small, the RDL interposer carrying them is one big rectangle, and a round wafer yields only a few per wafer.</span></p><p><span>Let&#8217;s actually calculate who is capable of delivering a 14x reticle by 2028. On the left is a 300mm round wafer with a total area of 70,600 mm^2, representative of TSMC&#8217;s process. On the right is a 310mm x 310mm organic panel, with a total area of 96,100 mm^2, representative of Intel&#8217;s EMIB.</span></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!YJXW!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F677cdbbc-80dd-4adc-9294-d68669eac55c_1432x1098.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!YJXW!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F677cdbbc-80dd-4adc-9294-d68669eac55c_1432x1098.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!YJXW!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F677cdbbc-80dd-4adc-9294-d68669eac55c_1432x1098.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!YJXW!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F677cdbbc-80dd-4adc-9294-d68669eac55c_1432x1098.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!YJXW!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F677cdbbc-80dd-4adc-9294-d68669eac55c_1432x1098.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!YJXW!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F677cdbbc-80dd-4adc-9294-d68669eac55c_1432x1098.png" width="1432" height="1098" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/677cdbbc-80dd-4adc-9294-d68669eac55c_1432x1098.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1098,&quot;width&quot;:1432,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!YJXW!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F677cdbbc-80dd-4adc-9294-d68669eac55c_1432x1098.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!YJXW!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F677cdbbc-80dd-4adc-9294-d68669eac55c_1432x1098.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!YJXW!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F677cdbbc-80dd-4adc-9294-d68669eac55c_1432x1098.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!YJXW!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F677cdbbc-80dd-4adc-9294-d68669eac55c_1432x1098.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><span>Source: ViksNewsletter/SemiExponent</span></figcaption></figure></div><p><span>The rough excalidraw picture above shows that a round wafer fits just about three 14x-sized packages, while the rectangular panel provides six. The area utilization goes from ~50% to ~75%. A transition to bigger 510mm x 515mm panels in the future will yield ~20 interposers.</span></p><p><span>It is clear that EMIB&#8217;s use of rectangular panels is vastly superior when it comes to large package sizes. It is the same round-versus-rectangular problem pushing TSMC toward CoPoS, except EMIB already uses the rectangular format. Intel is starting where TSMC is trying to get to. What keeps TSMC ahead in practice is volume, since it ships these packages today. Intel&#8217;s advanced packaging story is just getting started, but it holds a structural advantage in large packages in the future.</span></p><h3><span>The Convergence on Glass Core Panels</span></h3><p><span>Unfortunately for Intel, at 14x reticle sizes, it is not just the advantage of rectangular vs round formats that matter. For such large packages, organic substrates inherently become poor candidates due to their tendency to warp, and the co-efficient of thermal expansion (CTE) mismatch with silicon. Regardless of the format, the physical properties of the material starts causing yield issues which strips away some of Intel&#8217;s lead in large size packages, and instead levels the playing field with TSMC.</span></p><p><span>The answer for both foundries is the same: large rectangular panels on glass core substrates. It has unique properties that make well suited as a core material:</span></p><ul><li><p><span>It has a high degree of flatness</span></p></li><li><p><span>It has a CTE that is closer to silicon than organic materials</span></p></li><li><p><span>It has low dielectric loss (good for interconnect)</span></p></li><li><p><span>It has a high Young&#8217;s Modulus, which means that it is very stiff and needs a high degree of force to stretch it even a little.</span></p></li><li><p><span>In glass, through glass vias (TGVs) can be made much closer, which results in better power delivery due to lower parasitics.</span></p></li><li><p><span>Light propagates through glass, which opens the doors to optical integration in the future.</span></p></li></ul><p><span>Intel is the first mover on glass substrates, demonstrating a 78mm x 77mm, which is equivalent to 7x reticle size. This houses 2 full reticle-sized GPUs, for example, with room for interconnections with EMIB.</span></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!UwYL!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F270ba3e8-309c-413b-91d8-45067dee9690_1024x582.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!UwYL!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F270ba3e8-309c-413b-91d8-45067dee9690_1024x582.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!UwYL!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F270ba3e8-309c-413b-91d8-45067dee9690_1024x582.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!UwYL!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F270ba3e8-309c-413b-91d8-45067dee9690_1024x582.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!UwYL!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F270ba3e8-309c-413b-91d8-45067dee9690_1024x582.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!UwYL!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F270ba3e8-309c-413b-91d8-45067dee9690_1024x582.jpeg" width="1024" height="582" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/270ba3e8-309c-413b-91d8-45067dee9690_1024x582.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:582,&quot;width&quot;:1024,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!UwYL!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F270ba3e8-309c-413b-91d8-45067dee9690_1024x582.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!UwYL!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F270ba3e8-309c-413b-91d8-45067dee9690_1024x582.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!UwYL!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F270ba3e8-309c-413b-91d8-45067dee9690_1024x582.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!UwYL!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F270ba3e8-309c-413b-91d8-45067dee9690_1024x582.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><span>Source: Intel</span></figcaption></figure></div><p><span>More importantly, Intel has solved the issue of &#8220;SeWaRe&#8221; - a Japanese term that refers to micro-cracking in glass substrates. It usually happens right through the lateral cross-section of glass -- kind of like when you pull apart the biscuit halves in an Oreo. Micro-cracking while drilling TGVs is an important problem that requires special techniques to deal with. One company holding a dominant position here is LPKF Laser and Electronics - a German company - whose Laser Induced Deep Etch (LIDE) process is capable of forming TGVs at scale. We&#8217;ll introduce another contender after the paywall.</span></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!firi!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdeeb5f96-ea20-44b3-a1db-1cf005fffc16_1200x900.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!firi!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdeeb5f96-ea20-44b3-a1db-1cf005fffc16_1200x900.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!firi!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdeeb5f96-ea20-44b3-a1db-1cf005fffc16_1200x900.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!firi!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdeeb5f96-ea20-44b3-a1db-1cf005fffc16_1200x900.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!firi!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdeeb5f96-ea20-44b3-a1db-1cf005fffc16_1200x900.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!firi!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdeeb5f96-ea20-44b3-a1db-1cf005fffc16_1200x900.jpeg" width="1200" height="900" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/deeb5f96-ea20-44b3-a1db-1cf005fffc16_1200x900.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:900,&quot;width&quot;:1200,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!firi!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdeeb5f96-ea20-44b3-a1db-1cf005fffc16_1200x900.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!firi!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdeeb5f96-ea20-44b3-a1db-1cf005fffc16_1200x900.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!firi!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdeeb5f96-ea20-44b3-a1db-1cf005fffc16_1200x900.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!firi!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdeeb5f96-ea20-44b3-a1db-1cf005fffc16_1200x900.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><span>Source: Semco</span></figcaption></figure></div><p><span>The race to glass panels is just not an Intel vs TSMC race. Samsung and Rapidus are expecting to roll out glass interposer solutions as well.</span></p><p><strong><span>For paid subscribers</span></strong><span>:</span></p><ul><li><p><span>What this means to investors, and how the advanced packaging scene will play out</span></p></li><li><p><span>Two other supply chain names outside LPKF that are worth a look</span></p></li></ul>
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   ]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[🍪 TWiC: Controversial Packaged Optics]]></title><description><![CDATA[Developing an appreciation for engineering challenges in CPO deployment.]]></description><link>https://www.viksnewsletter.com/p/twic-controversial-packaged-optics</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.viksnewsletter.com/p/twic-controversial-packaged-optics</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Vikram Sekar]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2026 17:45:45 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!iEGA!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F10b285d8-dbbd-4b3e-8feb-447d81a90d37_750x428.jpeg" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The most discussed topic this week by far was whether CPO is delayed (or not), and whether the adoption of 800VDC is moved out (or not), triggered by the SemiAnalysis institutional note title &#8220;Powered Down, Lights Off.&#8221; </p><p>It is arguably a provocative title, but going purely off the heading is akin to judging the book by its cover. The institutional note &#8220;automagically&#8221; landed in my inbox and I had a long, quiet read to process it. I also read all the notes by FundaAI around this, a few other Substack notes, and tried to keep up with the flurry of takes on X.</p><p>The now infamous note is largely post-Computex, where we identified optics and power as the major themes as well. Here is our coverage this week:</p><ul><li><p>&#128218; <a href="https://open.substack.com/pub/viksnewsletter/p/computex-2026-debrief?r=222kot&amp;utm_campaign=post-expanded-share&amp;utm_medium=web">Computex 2026 Debrief</a></p></li><li><p>&#127897;&#65039; <a href="https://youtu.be/-uwb-VgpKrk">Computex 2026: Decoding Optics and Power Content</a></p></li></ul><p>The long and short of it that CPO is coming eventually, as is 800V; nobody denies this, but the controversy is around the when. We&#8217;ll focus on CPO today. </p><p>The SemiAnalysis claim worth focusing on is that Spectrum-6 CPO is slipping by 2+ quarters due to: (1) an unusual level (&gt;3.5 dB) of optical loss in Spectrum-6 that eats link margin and notably higher than Spectrum-5 that uses a similar port count forcing a redesign, and (2) a yield constraint that causes issues at scale.</p><p>We have no way of verifying actual numbers here, unless the reader is the rare case of the one actually working on it. However, technical discussions around these two claims are light, and rebuttals mostly come from the supply chain argument side. There is little dialogue around understanding why this could happen, and if the engineering side holds up.</p><p>We will try to fill in this gap today.</p><div><hr></div><h4><em>This edition of TWiC is presented by &#8230; SambaNova</em></h4><blockquote><p><em><strong>Run frontier models. 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Benchmark your workload against your current provider in an afternoon.</em></p><p>&#128073;&#127997; <a href="https://fandf.co/4vysCm3">Start benchmarking today</a>.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://fandf.co/4vysCm3" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!tfSM!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5acd85f7-7c94-42ab-917a-6fbea37d37c7_1890x1063.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!tfSM!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5acd85f7-7c94-42ab-917a-6fbea37d37c7_1890x1063.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!tfSM!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5acd85f7-7c94-42ab-917a-6fbea37d37c7_1890x1063.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!tfSM!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5acd85f7-7c94-42ab-917a-6fbea37d37c7_1890x1063.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!tfSM!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5acd85f7-7c94-42ab-917a-6fbea37d37c7_1890x1063.png" width="1456" height="819" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/5acd85f7-7c94-42ab-917a-6fbea37d37c7_1890x1063.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:819,&quot;width&quot;:1456,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:&quot;https://fandf.co/4vysCm3&quot;,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!tfSM!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5acd85f7-7c94-42ab-917a-6fbea37d37c7_1890x1063.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!tfSM!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5acd85f7-7c94-42ab-917a-6fbea37d37c7_1890x1063.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!tfSM!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5acd85f7-7c94-42ab-917a-6fbea37d37c7_1890x1063.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!tfSM!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5acd85f7-7c94-42ab-917a-6fbea37d37c7_1890x1063.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><div><hr></div><p>The industry agrees as a whole that scale-out is where CPO lands first. NVIDIA Spectrum-X CPO (Ethernet) and Quantum-X CPO (Infiniband) are slated to enter mass production in 2026. The SemiAnalysis claim is that the Ethernet version is due to slip by 2+ quarters, and is materially important because the Ethernet version ships more volume than the Infiniband one. </p><p>Both the increased optical loss and yield issues have their roots in the sub-micron accuracy alignment requirements of optical engines for CPO, and requires a procedure called &#8220;active alignment.&#8221; It involves optimizing the fiber attach unit (FAU) to the photonic chip across 6 degrees of freedom (position+angle across x,y,z). The alignment is done by actively monitoring the amount of optical power being coupled, and a few degrees of freedom are adjusted till maximum power is coupled. </p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!iEGA!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F10b285d8-dbbd-4b3e-8feb-447d81a90d37_750x428.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!iEGA!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F10b285d8-dbbd-4b3e-8feb-447d81a90d37_750x428.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!iEGA!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F10b285d8-dbbd-4b3e-8feb-447d81a90d37_750x428.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!iEGA!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F10b285d8-dbbd-4b3e-8feb-447d81a90d37_750x428.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!iEGA!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F10b285d8-dbbd-4b3e-8feb-447d81a90d37_750x428.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!iEGA!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F10b285d8-dbbd-4b3e-8feb-447d81a90d37_750x428.jpeg" width="750" height="428" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/10b285d8-dbbd-4b3e-8feb-447d81a90d37_750x428.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:428,&quot;width&quot;:750,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;Figure 3. Active alignment during the assembly of fiber-assembly units (FAUs) into faceplate pluggable (FPP) transceivers (top). Packaging of CPO modules from wafer to complete trays (bottom). DOF: degrees of freedom. Courtesy of Senko Advanced Components.&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="Figure 3. Active alignment during the assembly of fiber-assembly units (FAUs) into faceplate pluggable (FPP) transceivers (top). Packaging of CPO modules from wafer to complete trays (bottom). DOF: degrees of freedom. Courtesy of Senko Advanced Components." title="Figure 3. Active alignment during the assembly of fiber-assembly units (FAUs) into faceplate pluggable (FPP) transceivers (top). Packaging of CPO modules from wafer to complete trays (bottom). DOF: degrees of freedom. Courtesy of Senko Advanced Components." srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!iEGA!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F10b285d8-dbbd-4b3e-8feb-447d81a90d37_750x428.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!iEGA!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F10b285d8-dbbd-4b3e-8feb-447d81a90d37_750x428.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!iEGA!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F10b285d8-dbbd-4b3e-8feb-447d81a90d37_750x428.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!iEGA!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F10b285d8-dbbd-4b3e-8feb-447d81a90d37_750x428.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Source: Senko</figcaption></figure></div><p>This has to be repeated for each optical engine in the whole Spectrum-X switch, and is required at several points along the CPO build process. Even a single CPO module can require 100+ active alignment operations from start to finish, each one taking only a few seconds from start to finish in high volume production.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!yH5s!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9febd708-af06-4882-9c64-dfedc5e7ab3a_750x389.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!yH5s!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9febd708-af06-4882-9c64-dfedc5e7ab3a_750x389.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!yH5s!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9febd708-af06-4882-9c64-dfedc5e7ab3a_750x389.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!yH5s!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9febd708-af06-4882-9c64-dfedc5e7ab3a_750x389.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!yH5s!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9febd708-af06-4882-9c64-dfedc5e7ab3a_750x389.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!yH5s!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9febd708-af06-4882-9c64-dfedc5e7ab3a_750x389.jpeg" width="750" height="389" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/9febd708-af06-4882-9c64-dfedc5e7ab3a_750x389.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:389,&quot;width&quot;:750,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;Figure 3. Active alignment during the assembly of fiber-assembly units (FAUs) into faceplate pluggable (FPP) transceivers (top). Packaging of CPO modules from wafer to complete trays (bottom). DOF: degrees of freedom. Courtesy of Senko Advanced Components.&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="Figure 3. Active alignment during the assembly of fiber-assembly units (FAUs) into faceplate pluggable (FPP) transceivers (top). Packaging of CPO modules from wafer to complete trays (bottom). DOF: degrees of freedom. Courtesy of Senko Advanced Components." title="Figure 3. Active alignment during the assembly of fiber-assembly units (FAUs) into faceplate pluggable (FPP) transceivers (top). Packaging of CPO modules from wafer to complete trays (bottom). DOF: degrees of freedom. Courtesy of Senko Advanced Components." srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!yH5s!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9febd708-af06-4882-9c64-dfedc5e7ab3a_750x389.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!yH5s!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9febd708-af06-4882-9c64-dfedc5e7ab3a_750x389.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!yH5s!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9febd708-af06-4882-9c64-dfedc5e7ab3a_750x389.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!yH5s!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9febd708-af06-4882-9c64-dfedc5e7ab3a_750x389.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Source: Senko</figcaption></figure></div><p>CPO testing is an interesting aspect that deserves its own deep-dive, but key takeaway is that co-packaging an optical engine next to the silicon is notoriously difficult, and the difficulty arises when all of them need to work when attached. Quantum X actually implements CPO differently from Spectrum X as shown in the pictures below. </p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!CrAR!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Feed78d4f-2c0f-4884-a53f-9936fb27b4e0_2168x950.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!CrAR!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Feed78d4f-2c0f-4884-a53f-9936fb27b4e0_2168x950.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!CrAR!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Feed78d4f-2c0f-4884-a53f-9936fb27b4e0_2168x950.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!CrAR!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Feed78d4f-2c0f-4884-a53f-9936fb27b4e0_2168x950.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!CrAR!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Feed78d4f-2c0f-4884-a53f-9936fb27b4e0_2168x950.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!CrAR!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Feed78d4f-2c0f-4884-a53f-9936fb27b4e0_2168x950.png" width="1456" height="638" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/eed78d4f-2c0f-4884-a53f-9936fb27b4e0_2168x950.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:638,&quot;width&quot;:1456,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:747786,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/png&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://www.viksnewsletter.com/i/201698713?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Feed78d4f-2c0f-4884-a53f-9936fb27b4e0_2168x950.png&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!CrAR!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Feed78d4f-2c0f-4884-a53f-9936fb27b4e0_2168x950.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!CrAR!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Feed78d4f-2c0f-4884-a53f-9936fb27b4e0_2168x950.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!CrAR!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Feed78d4f-2c0f-4884-a53f-9936fb27b4e0_2168x950.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!CrAR!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Feed78d4f-2c0f-4884-a53f-9936fb27b4e0_2168x950.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Source: NVIDIA</figcaption></figure></div><p>Quantum-X is designed for routing supercomputing traffic with ultra-low latency.  It has a total of 18 optical engines (6x optical subassembly with 3 engines each) to provide 18 ports in an NVswitch supporting Infiniband. Quantum X uses a replaceable module of 3 optical engines that can be swapped out as a whole if any one of the three engines in the module do not work. The complexity of active alignment is limited to just the optical subassembly now. If the yield of each attachment is 95%, the overall yield of the subassembly is 0.95<sup>3</sup> = 0.853, or 85.3%.</p><p>Spectrum-X handles larger, multi-tenant cloud and Ethernet AI environments and thus requires more port counts, and more optical engines per switch. As a result, the &#8220;swappable module&#8221; approach does not work for this product line due to sheer lack of space. You can see from the picture that there are 32 optical engines directly co-packaged next to the silicon. A single non-functioning optical engine poses a danger to the entire switch.</p><p>Here the math is that if each one has a 95% chance of success, then the chance of all 32 engines being successful is (0.95<sup>32</sup>=0.193, or ~19%). This makes it significantly harder to deploy Spectrum-X switches at scale if the yield is so low. If you want ~85% yield like we saw in the 3-engine optical subassembly, the required attachment yield rate skyrockets to 99.5%. There are some counter-arguments floating by to this method.</p><ol><li><p><strong>Is the yield really 95%?</strong> This number is genuinely difficult to come by, and if based purely on hearsay, is something to take with a grain of salt. The exact yield number matters a lot, arguably to the last decimal point, when you take a power of 32. Hand wavy napkin math does not work here.</p></li><li><p><strong>Failing parts are binned. </strong>One post I read argues that the napkin math is bad because optical engines are binned and only functional ones will be attached and therefore the failure rate cannot possibly be that high. Yes, failing parts are binned, but the actual failures come during/after the attach process. As a result, there is no way to avoid the power of 32. </p></li></ol><p>Most of the commentary on this matter has been a rebuttal on the basis that the bottleneck is on the supply-side, and not the demand side. Lumentum&#8217;s comments at the Mizuho conference also stated how much demand is waiting for them, if they could only ship. Morgan Stanley released a note with wafer shipments, while acknowledging TSMC yield numbers in SoIC and downstream assembly yield. </p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.viksnewsletter.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe now&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.viksnewsletter.com/subscribe?"><span>Subscribe now</span></a></p><p><strong>The loss and yield argument makes &#8220;qualitative&#8221; engineering sense</strong> given how Spectrum-X and Quantum-X CPO architectures work, and the crux of the SemiAnalysis argument reduces to <strong>finding the right yield number</strong>. If there is a fundamental problem with the active alignment process, it is easy to drop half the optical power (which is what 3 dB of loss is) due to misalignment issues; remember that the alignment accuracy requirements are sub-micron for thousands of optical fibers per switch. The loss number itself is within the realm of reason given how sensitive CPO is to alignment issues.</p><p>Given how new the industry is to CPO at scale, loss low yield could very well be growing pains as the technology ramps. It is not an unsolvable problem; just one that takes its time as assembly processes for CPO mature. It is entirely reasonable that the alternative while the industry grows to adopt CPO, is NPO. </p><p>In the case of NPO, the assembly and packaging process is much simpler because only the optical engine in that NPO module needs active alignment &#8212; it is not an exponent-stacking problem like in CPO. 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